FancyFootball44

Jim Tressel has been a Head Coach since 1985 (going 2-9 his 1st season at OSU) and didn't win his first NC until '91.
Pete Carroll spent 15 yrs in the NFL with a Head Coaching job in '97 (going 6-6 his 1st season at USC.)
Charlie Weis' first HC job is in 2004. Led the Irish to 9-3. But because he didn't lead the Irish to a NC in his 2nd year like the above-mentioned, he's thrown under the bus, even though his 1st season stats are better than both of those two.

If it was this, it'd be something else. Like smalls said, I won't worry for another 1-2 yrs. You're comparing him to the top 2 coaches in college football who have been coaching a LOT longer than him - apples & oranges.

BigdaddyQH

Notre Dame has no excuses. They are the spoiled brats of the NCAA, whining their way into bowl games they do not deserve to play in. Well it works both ways Irish fans. You guys love to cry and whine your way into these games and now you are being called out to produce and show us why you deserve to even be considered for any BCS game. It's "put up or shut up" time for Weis and the Irish. Great coaches have great records every year. Weis is faced with that challenge this year. These are his recruits now. This is his challenge. Last year when Carroll lost his Heisman QB and his Heisman RB, plus many other starters, he regressed by losing two games instead of 1 and winning the Rose Bowl. Last year the Irish went 10-3 inclyuding their annual bowl loss. Let's see if Weiss can lose just 3 regular season games and win a BCS game this year. Weis has no excuse for last year. He was suppose to have the #2 team in the country. They were not even close to that. What happened Charlie?

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FancyFootball44

If you have such strong hate for ND, why do you even give them any attention? That doesn't make sense to me. Not just you, but everybody. Everyone "hates" ND but LOVES to talk about them. LOVES to put them down. LOVES to give them attention. Boggles my mind really...

and ND didn't whine their way into BCS games. (We are not Florida.) It's common knowledge that ND brings in the big bucks and that's why they're probably given better bids than other teams. Blame the $ hungry NCAA or BCS if you want, but don't blame ND.

"Great coaches have great records every year." Are you kidding me?

BigdaddyQH

That is a bunch of B.S. and you know it. A typical Domer excuse. Notre Dame is the most money hungry University in the nation. They sign their own T.V. deal with NBC. They whine their way into BCS Games. They would sell their souls to the Devel to get into a BCS game. Their teams are not competitive, but they still go to bowl games. They have become an embarrasement to the NCAA because they can't be competitive in a Bowl game, much less win one. But again, you are a Domer. I suppose you are going to back up that gay little pretty boy Quinn when he holds out for more money because he is a QB. I guess that pretty boy doesn't realize he was a low first round pick, not #1.

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FancyFootball44

Ok, so HYPOTHETICALLY if the whole Bush Push thing had never happened and ND had won that game against USC in '05, would they then have that credit for winning a 'big one'?

You can call Notre Dame money hungry all you please. Being money hungry isn't a crime. It may not be an award winning quality and it pisses everybody off but it's not against the law, or RULES for that matter. What IS against the rules is the **** that goes down at your precious SC. You have a dirty, crooked program and everyone knows it. You can have Pete the Cheat.

FancyFootball44

For someone who talks so much crap about ND, you sure do worry about them a lot.
and no way would I even want to have Pete the cheat coaching ND, let alone BEG to. haha. He wouldn't be allowed to cheat at ND like he can at SC so he probably wouldn't win there. U can keep him.
(You've been name calling, don't get pissed when you're team gets called out for being what it is.)
sorry but ND still leads the series against SC

and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't USC fans have a freaking fit when pete carroll was hired? Oh man.... I do seem to recall something about that. Hmm... then he starts winning and everybody LOVES him.

FancyFootball44

NOT a fair statement..............

NC:
USC- 11 (with 2 very contested)
ND- 11 (all consensus)

Heismans:
USC- 7
ND- 7

Winning %:
USC- .702
ND- .744

Wins:
USC- 742
ND- 800+

Former players in Pro Hall of Fame:
USC- 10
ND-9

College Hall of Fame:
USC- 34
ND- 47

You can argue all day long that they are maybe more superior yesterday or today, but as far as all-time goes, we're pretty much on the same track. For the most part.

BigdaddyQH

Historically you are correct, and you can argue that both of these programs are in the Top 5 of all time and be spot on. The huge problem that Notre Dame has now is that they are being complely out recruited by many teams. Look at your top recruiting programs. Florida and USC are way ahead of them. Tennessee, LSU, Texas, Auburn, Georga and South Carolina had an overall better recruiting year than the Irish did. Notre Dame got Clauson, but we all know how far pretty boy QB's get them. Notice how all of those teams are from the South, except Texas and USC, who still are miles away from the midwest. As a matter of fact, Notre Deme is the ONLY school in the "midwest", "north." or "east", (calll them what you may) that had a recruiting class in the top 12 this year. (Consensus).

The name of the game is recruiting. The reason why you see the same names (Florida, USC, Texas, LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State) near the top of the national rankings year after year is recruiting. One big name doesn't cut it. You must recruit for every position. That is why some teams are consistant Top 5 teams year after year. They recruit overall talent, not just in one specific area. Now you have to have the great coaching to go along with the great recruiting. It doesn't do much for a team to have a great recruiter who can not coach (listening Ron Zook and Phillip Fullmer?) The coaching staff must also produce. But when you get great recruiting AND coaching, it is a lethal weapon. That is what Notre Dame lacks. Weis has failed to show that he is a great coach.

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Transplanted Caper

Keep it civil folks.

On the topic at hand, my guess is John Carlson is quite busy this season.

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FancyFootball44

Indeed. I'm glad he opted to come back. I think he is going to be intregral to the team this year.

FancyFootball44

Wrong. Michigan.

I just posted a list of the 14 verbal commits we have so far for the '08 season in the Recruiting section. Looks just fine to me and it's not done yet. Several on the top 100 to watch list (including the #1 TE prospect.) Several overall positions covered.

BigdaddyQH

Verbal commitments are nothing to me. Until these guys sign, Michigan has done nothing. Also, please show me where the consensus has Michigan as a top 12 recruiting program for this past season. Maybe some mag picks them that high, but not overall. The fact is that Florida, USC, Texas, LSU, Auburn and other schools out recruit Michigan and Notre Dame EVERY YEAR, not just 1. That is why these teams play in, and win BCS games, while Michigan and Notre Dame lose in those very same games.

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FancyFootball44

What do you mean until these guys sign? I'm talking the upcoming season. I think we lost each other. Scout.com has Michigan is ranked 10th, Rivals.com has them 12th for 2007. For 2006, Rivals had them at 13. Scout at 9. Not too bad.

The fact that Mich, ND, Pitt, and OSU can keep recruiting up given that they're in the crappy midwest has to say something doesn't it?
"while Michigan and Notre Dame lose in those very same games" Funny that they're the 2 most winning schools in history geesh.


Top combined recruiting classes, 2002-07 1. USC, 85 points 2. LSU, 59 3. Florida, 58 4. (tie) Tennessee Florida State, 55 6. Oklahoma, 54 7. Texas, 53 8. Georgia, 50 9. Miami, 40 10. Notre Dame, 24
(Source: Rivals.com, Scout.com)

Transplanted Caper

He'll wind up being the main receiving threat IMO. Weiss has shown a tendency to use tight ends quite a bit and that shouldn't change, in fact it'll increase.

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FancyFootball44

Yes, have you checked out the TE recruit that has given his verbal? The kid looks pretty good.