Hawknut5

They will compete with them one of these years. They just dont have the ability to do it this year.

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FancyFootball44

One of these years, probably not this year though. Michigan is such a veteraned team and USC is the powerhouse right now.

BigdaddyQH

Don't sell Notre Dame short. They are at their most dangerous when they are suppose to have nothing in the way of talent. Notre Dame is a dangerous underdog, especially at home. While their talent level is basically untested, tha does not mean that it is bad. USC is Notre Dame's arch rival and they get them at home. UCLA got USC at home also last year, and we all know what happened then. Notre Dame has played well against Michigan, a Big 10 team which automatically qualifies them as a possible over rated team. I do not think the Irish will win these two games, but I sure would not say that it is impossible.

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FancyFootball44

I didn't say it was impossible. I just said probably not...

I hate them, they suck, they won't win one game - REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY!

BigdaddyQH

Let me ask you a question. You are a Notre Dame fan. Just how good of a coach do you think Weis is? I do not think he is great, or poor. To me, he is just another coach.

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FancyFootball44

I think he is potentially a great coach. I know people have a big problem with his attitude and his general "I don't give a sh*t about you" attitude but I think that's just part of his coaching technique/persona.

I guess it's just too early to tell... He did bring around a team that was doing pretty crappy and at least led them to a much better season. And he's restored faith in a lot of ND fans which is important to them. But he hasn't won the big game and that's what everyone's waiting for.

smalls123

I have them 10-2. Some games could go either way but Charlie is going to make Clausen a star.

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BigdaddyQH

I do not see Weis as a great coach. In my opinion, Pete Carroll is a great coach. Jim Tressel is a great coach. Urban Meyer is a great coach. These coaches took teams who were having problems and turned them around immediately. All have won National Championships within the first two years of taking over their respective coaching jobs. Weiss failed to do that, even though most people picked his team to be #1 or #2 at the beginning of last season. His failure to beat Top 10 teams is very concerning to me. This is year 3 for him. He has had two recruiting classes. He should be in the National Championship hunt, not hoping for an 8-4 record. I think that next year will be a huge test for the Irish. They should be ready to challenge for all the marbles, but USC and Texas will be even better than they are this year. It will be interesting to see where this year's "rebuilding" team ends up.

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smalls123

Don't jump the gun. Give him time to recruit his own players. And those teams were not having problems like ND. We had inferior talent while teams like USC and Florida had top notch talent when Pete and Ubban arrived. Those teams were just porrly coached.

And this team is going to be very inexperienced, which is why people are expecting an 8-4 record. You don't win national championships with sophmores and freshmen.

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FancyFootball44

All of this is why I said he has the POTENTIAL to be a great coach. Only time will tell...
His first year recruiting was practically nonexistant. He coached the Pats until the Super Bowl was over and then jumped in to ND well after Signing Day had even happened. There was a large gap where ND didn't have a participating coach at all.
That said, you're right, this SHOULD be his year. But that doesn't mean it WILL be. I'm still going to say '08 will be. It's not written in stone that if you don't win a NC after 2-3 yrs of coaching, you automatically get ranked as a bad coach. This is all just because the limelight falls on ND. Anywhere else, he'd go unnoticed.

BigdaddyQH

They gave Willingham 3 years. Why give Weis any more? His hot shot QB was a MAJOR disappointment last year. Quinn was nothing more than Irish hype. He was passed on by many NFL teams and was finally selected by a team that made him their #2 selection behind an OT. If Notre Dame can not defeat USC either this year or next, it is time to fire Weis. He had better start proving that he can do something other than beat mediocre teams. This year, when he is not expected to do anything, he should have no sence of urgency and that has to make things easier for him. Unlike Carroll, Myer, Tressel, Carr, Brown, Stoops and others, Weis does not have to win 10 or more games every year to be a success. How easy can he have it?

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NFL_WIZARD

I think Charlie Weiss is the most over-rated coach i have ever seen in my life.
ND = 7-5

FancyFootball44

You're not saying anything I, or everybody else, doesn't already know...
Willingham's 3 yrs were a lot less successful than Weis' 2 yrs. Quinn's 2 yrs with Willingham were a lot less successful than his 2 yrs with Weis. Was Quinn overhyped? omg yes but you can't ignore the fact that he broke countless records at a very storied school.
Willingham didn't fit the bill @ ND. Not because he was black... not because he lost... because he didn't have the hunger to win and bring the program back to what the school wanted it to be. Weis does.
And you're comparing him to guys that have been coaching for YEARS/DECADES. Give it some time. Everyone expected him to be an overnight success for ND and that's already been proved otherwise.

BigdaddyQH

Jim Tressel lost 5 games at Ohio State in his first years, and 9 games in his last 5 years. Pete Carroll lost 6 games in his first year at USC, and 6 games in his last 5 years. That is what Weis has to do if he wants to coach for a major football power and be considered any type of success. He has failed to show that kind of improvment, and will probably lose more games this year than he did last year.

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smalls123

Ok you are taking two coaches who walked in to really good situations and took advantage. ND did not have as much talent as these teams when Charlie took over. Ohio State and USC had major talent they were just underacheiving when Tressel and Caroll took over. We should have done better last year but the teams we did lose to were all top 5 teams. We don't have top five team talent yet.

Give charlie a chance to recruit his own players. If in 2 years from now we still can't compete with USC and Michigan then I will worry but I am not going to rag on the guy because he did not do what Tressel and Carroll did. That would be ridiculous. VERY few people have done what they did.

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