Patriots proven innocent

[Reapster]

Originally Posted by klingsor

I can only imagine how much more you'd hate the Giants if they had actually won.

No whining back in those days. Your team was just the better one. And the Giants were a very good team.

They and the Eagles are the only two to beat the Packers in the Championship back then, 1938 Giants won and Lombardi was beat by the Eagles other than those and recently the Broncos the Championship record isn't too bad.

So I hate the Giants but respect their history, but then the Giants is where Vince Lombardi started out his NFL coaching career so that is a plus for them.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Blaze_1UP

The funny part is both Weis and Crennel got hired after being complete frauds.

and now we get to the meat & potatoes of it

[MiddleFingaz]

Every team and coach in every sport looks for an edge somehow. On so many interviews with ex coaches and players, they ALL said that everyone has done this but the Pats got caught as a result of Eric Mangina being a complete rat. If the NFL were the mafia, Mangina would have gotten wacked for his ratting nature.

Now, even with them stealing signals and blah blah blah... these players are making millions of dollars to play the game. Even with stolen signals, Randy Moss still has to make that catch in double coverage and Brady still has to make that throw with precision. Just as that defense has to bat the ball down, make the pick, jump the route, get back the 400 pound lineman to get to the QB.

Getting an edge is one thing (and they were the team that got ratted on and caught for it), but it's also another thing that they still have to go out and make plays.

With all this drama going on, the Patriots did have their BEST season going undefeated on the regular season and that was WITHOUT the supposed cheating and with the Comish and a million others of the NFL watching every little move the Patriots made

I think jealousy makes people say and believe some crazy things sometimes

[Canadian Speed]

Every team and coach in every sport looks for an edge somehow. On so many interviews with ex coaches and players, they ALL said that everyone has done this but the Pats got caught as a result of Eric Mangina being a complete rat. If the NFL were the mafia, Mangina would have gotten wacked for his ratting nature.

Well, this isn't a very surprising retort to the accusations of the team. But what is really being said in this statement is that the Patriots are like the mafia. i.e. criminals. Furthermore it states that Mangini has provided information on a situation which was not just and as such is a "rat". Were the information he provided the league with not of a questionable nature, he would not considered a rat now would he...

Now, even with them stealing signals and blah blah blah... these players are making millions of dollars to play the game. Even with stolen signals, Randy Moss still has to make that catch in double coverage and Brady still has to make that throw with precision. Just as that defense has to bat the ball down, make the pick, jump the route, get back the 400 pound lineman to get to the QB.

This statement is true. But these actions are made a lot easier when both of the names you just mentioned know where the holes in the defence are going to be even before the ball is snapped. What's really sad is that both of these players are great players, the fact that they're cheating makes it even sadder of an offence. Like adults cheating at games against children. Furthermore, the reason that this particual situation worked so well is that Randy is a burner who can get deep at will when faced with single coverage. For proof of wrong doing reading calls, one doesn't have to look any further then the quarter finals of this season where the Pats ran the exact same play against the exact same defence which was called against it just the play before, for a touchdown.

With all this drama going on, the Patriots did have their BEST season going undefeated on the regular season and that was WITHOUT the supposed cheating and with the Comish and a million others of the NFL watching every little move the Patriots made

This statement is false, since we never got a chance to see what was taped or otherwise since all eveidence was destroyed before it was properly investigated. This, in my opinion clearly shows an attempted cover up at the hands of the league in an attempt to save face. Furthermore to this point, last year's information could be just as relivent as this year's, since team do not reamake their playbooks every single year.

In closing I would like to suggest that the reason the Giants won the Super Bowl this year was because nobody ever thought they would make it that far. I'm sure that everybody in the Pats organisation though, as many other had, that they would be facing the Packers and as such dispatched people to gather information on the wrong team. The Pats team we saw at the Super Bowl was an accurate representation of what this team can do when playing on a even playing field. All respect going to the Giants, but a second rate team made the all impressive Pats look like hacks and spin doctors.

[Ozzfan1317]

I'm sorry I must have missed something so why did they lose a first round pick again? They cheated in the super bowl the only reason they didn't get convicted of it is because the commisioner is a retard and he had already burnt the tapes because god forbidthe *dynasty *get tarnished further. Belichoke is overrated Brady is Overrated. Its a shame Seau and Harrison are stuck on a team of cheaters with a bunch of mediocre players who only look better because of the system built around them.