Nfl Mvp

[JCD]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

Sunday just proved my point even more. moss and TO both reel in 4 TD passes. TD's that only special players make. both with 4, that's rediculous. this ends all talk of romo for MVP. TO is hands down the reason they are as good as they are.

what's the difference between 39 td passes with all day to throw the ball 04 and 6 td's 12 picks and getting hurt cause the D can key in on you in 05??
RANDY MOSS

it's the same difference between throwing 24.5 td's over 6 yrs and throwing 38 of them in 10 games.

it's simple to see why brady's having a gr8 year. it's not because he's the best QB ever, it's because he's like montana on a team that's superior to everybody else's with the most dynamic reciever of the generation. anyone who can't see this is just people blindly looking for a reason to crown him the greatest qb of all time.

The bolded comment made me laugh.

One of the biggest homers on the board saying that anybody who doesn't think Favre deserves the MVP over Brady and his record-setting, potentially 16-0 season has blinders on.

I wager that Brady wins the MVP with every single 1st place vote. This is a hand's down, no brainer decision. Notch 60 TDs and go undefeated (potentially), get the MVP. Period. End of story.

[SaintedBroncos24]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

Sunday just proved my point even more. moss and TO both reel in 4 TD passes. TD's that only special players make. both with 4, that's rediculous. this ends all talk of romo for MVP. TO is hands down the reason they are as good as they are.

what's the difference between 39 td passes with all day to throw the ball 04 and 6 td's 12 picks and getting hurt cause the D can key in on you in 05??
RANDY MOSS

it's the same difference between throwing 24.5 td's over 6 yrs and throwing 38 of them in 10 games.

it's simple to see why brady's having a gr8 year. it's not because he's the best QB ever, it's because he's like montana on a team that's superior to everybody else's with the most dynamic reciever of the generation. anyone who can't see this is just people blindly looking for a reason to crown him the greatest qb of all time.

Then explain the 3 SB's in 4 years with out that " most dynamic receiver of the generation"? and lets remember Brady isn't even close to being done. I'm betting when it's all said and done Brady will be if not at the very top then damn close to one of the best ever.

I would be more inclined to argue (and have already) that with out Brady, Moss is just above average and a distraction to his team.

[katzenboyer]

Originally Posted by Transplanted Caper

So Favre's resurgence is all on his receivers then. Huge jump in play, but that can never be correlated to the QB himself based on your argument.

you don't see the one dominant WR cause favre has distributed the ball to everybody. has donald lee playing like a pro bowl TE.

brady threw 5 td's, and 4 to moss. moss has 40%+ of his td's on the year.

[katzenboyer]

Originally Posted by SaintedBroncos24

Then explain the 3 SB's in 4 years with out that " most dynamic receiver of the generation"? and lets remember Brady isn't even close to being done. I'm betting when it's all said and done Brady will be if not at the very top then damn close to one of the best ever.

I would be more inclined to argue (and have already) that with out Brady, Moss is just above average and a distraction to his team.

he played very good football, but the combo of an all-time defense, and good rushing attacks may have something to do with it.

look at what favre has done with an almost non-existent running game.

[katzenboyer]

Originally Posted by JCD

The bolded comment made me laugh.

One of the biggest homers on the board saying that anybody who doesn't think Favre deserves the MVP over Brady and his record-setting, potentially 16-0 season has blinders on.

I wager that Brady wins the MVP with every single 1st place vote. This is a hand's down, no brainer decision. Notch 60 TDs and go undefeated (potentially), get the MVP. Period. End of story.

i might take that wager, i hear a minnesota voter talk all the time about how favre's more valuable, and talks about how he thinks he should get it. i can only imagine that wisconsin's writers will also vote for him if he keeps this up through the end of the season.

[19nazzy]

Tom Brady hands down.

[LooseChange25]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

look at what favre has done with an almost non-existent running game.

Who cares? GB has a top 10 defense. There running game has been bad, yes many know this. But they have 3 very talented receivers. Driver, Jennings, and Jones. The point i'm trying to get at is that the Packers, like the Patriots and Cowboys, have better receivers than anyone can cover. Now, i'm not giving all the credit to the receivers, because I know Favre has something to do with this, but when a QB spreads the ball around, then he is going to look like the hero. I just wanna remind you that Brady does spread the ball around, but with Moss hauling in over 15 Td's, it doesn't seem like he is. Brady hands down wins MVP. He established this feat in week 3.

And for all you GB homers.(I'm from GB but hate the Packers) It's not like Favre has never had talent. I realize he's never had a Moss-caliber player but he has had talent. To name a few, Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Terry Glenn, Desmond Howard, Bill Schroeder, Andre Rison, Javon Walker, Donald Driver, and Greg Jennings. Like I said, there not Moss-caliber players, but they were all contributed greatly to the Packers. Please stop the whole "Favre has never had talent" argument because its old.

[JCD]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

you don't see the one dominant WR cause favre has distributed the ball to everybody. has donald lee playing like a pro bowl TE.

brady threw 5 td's, and 4 to moss. moss has 40%+ of his td's on the year.

Um... and Brady ISN'T throwing the ball to everybody?

OK, lets take away Moss's TDs. Oh, Brady is still 2nd the league. Moss isn't even leading the team in catches, Wes Walker is. Plus he is getting the ball to Watson and Stallworth as well.

And none of that accounts to his freakishly low INTs. He has nearly a 10:1 TD to INT ratio.

Sorry, but only the most blatent of Packer homers would make a case for Favre over Brady this year. Brady is running away with the MVP by such a wide margin that it isn't even funny.

If he keeps up this pace, it is a 60 TDs (with 7 INTs...), close to 5000 passing yards, a QB rating over 130 and 16-0 season.

Sorry, but Moss isn't the one orcastrating that. Moss may be the best receiver in the game, but a receiver is only as good as his QB. A great WR with a bad QB gets you nowhere. And it isn't like Brady hasn't done anything in the past. He has won 3 SuperBowls (including 2 MVPs IIRC) and led the league in passing TDs once already.

[JCD]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

he played very good football, but the combo of an all-time defense, and good rushing attacks may have something to do with it.

look at what favre has done with an almost non-existent running game.

Good rushing attack!!????!!?

Yes, we all know what a great runner Antwoine Smith is.

Ever pause to think that maybe Favre's numbers have been puffed up because they are throwing >70% of the time?

[JCD]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

i might take that wager, i hear a minnesota voter talk all the time about how favre's more valuable, and talks about how he thinks he should get it. i can only imagine that wisconsin's writers will also vote for him if he keeps this up through the end of the season.

Those people are paid to talk. In cheeseland, attempting to make a case for Favre over Brady will get you readers and listeners.

But when the season ends, I absolutely guarentee you that Brady wins it. He might not get every vote, but he will get >90% of them. There really is no contest.

Well, no contest other than that invented by Packer homers.

[JCD]

Originally Posted by katzenboyer

Who do u guys think the mvp should be if the pats end the year 16-0 and the packers end the year 15-1. My feeling is brady would get it, but i personally don't think he's the MVP on that team.

Moss is the pat's MVP, he is the difference between 11-5, and 16-0. i can think of at least 5 qb's who could lead this team to this good a record.
(favre, peyton, palmer, romo, garcia, mcnabb)

Based on what makes an MVP is how VALUABLE he is to your team. By this standard favre is clearly more valuable to his team than any other player on any team with maybe the exception of maybe moss.

what do u guys think??

You know, your "FAVRE FOR MVP" battle cry might be taken a big more seriously if you didn't claim he should be the MVP every year.

i wanna know

[NFL_WIZARD]

Sorry Katzenboyer, Brady is this years MVP, 100%...
As for all-time, well John Madden said Sunday night that it was now Brady over Montana. Sorry again.

[TroyAikman]

Tony Romo just tied the Cowboys team record for touchdowns in a single-season... and Brady is STILL miles ahead of him and everyone else in the MVP voting!


Yes, he is that good.

Yes, he has been one of the most consistant QB's this deacade.

Yes, he has 3 super bowl rings in the free agency era.


and....


To think he could only get better. They have one of the top first round picks this year... San Fran's! (They lost thiers with spygate I believe)

[Roy_Williams318]

Originally Posted by SaintedBroncos24

I would be more inclined to argue (and have already) that with out Brady, Moss is just above average and a distraction to his team.

I call bull****...all he needs is QB with an arm that has time to throw. Look at him when he played with Minn.....I'd say that was far above "average".

(this isn't towards you) I just have a hard time believing that the Pats wouldn't still be undefeated if they had Favre or Romo at QB. Brady really isn't doing anything special as far as throws or anything....he's just hitting WIDE OPEN WRs. I rarely had to see him fit a ball into a window...it's always more like an airplane hangar. If you're talking more Valuable to the team then I don't think it is Brady...you're talking MVP which is all about numbers...how can you say anyones name other than Brady?

[LooseChange25]

Originally Posted by Roy_Williams318

I call bull****...all he needs is QB with an arm that has time to throw. Look at him when he played with Minn.....I'd say that was far above "average".

(this isn't towards you) I just have a hard time believing that the Pats wouldn't still be undefeated if they had Favre or Romo at QB. Brady really isn't doing anything special as far as throws or anything....he's just hitting WIDE OPEN WRs. I rarely had to see him fit a ball into a window...it's always more like an airplane hangar. If you're talking more Valuable to the team then I don't think it is Brady...you're talking MVP which is all about numbers...how can you say anyones name other than Brady?

Brady is the MVP. He is going to have the best season and thats why. He may not be the "Most Valuable to his team", but he is going to shatter some records. If the winner was actually the most valuable to his team, Favre would win. So either way, Romo isn't going to win. Favre is winning games for the Packers. Romo helps, but he has TO, Crayton, and Witten to throw to, and he actually has a running game.