Patriots Cheating?

[Rick Middleton]

Originally Posted by PhillyLikwiD

Once the video evidence came out I was pretty sure they cheated in the Super Bowl.

Wait, you're actually serious? How precisely would they have used video taping during the game to beat the Eagles? Have you thought this one out or are you reacting to the news and how the Eagles players are griping about it?

As has been stated by several coaches, it would be extremely difficult to use the video evidence from a game to crack the defensive or offensive audibles.

ESPN - Chadiha: Legal spying -- not videotaping -- widespread in NFL - NFL

"New England realistically may have been able to catch one or two plays from doing that and they could've had somebody in the press box getting the same information," said former Atlanta Falcons general manager Ken Herock, who also worked as an executive in Oakland and Green Bay. "And what you're actually talking about is one or two plays out of about 60 snaps a game. That really isn't a great advantage."

Hell, even Andy Reid came out and stated that

ESPN - Some Eagles question Pats' tactics in Super Bowl - NFL

Eagles coach Andy Reid steered away from questions about the alleged cheating other than to say he has no doubts New England's victory was legitimate

And it's not like the Pats are the only ones doing it, either.

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards said stealing signals -- the legal way -- has become so widespread that most defensive coaches use elaborate systems to communicate with players

They just got caught using a video camera to do so.

[Transplanted Caper]

The Pats broke the rule (however stupid the rule may be) and deserved the punishment they received.

[Jay]

Ok so if not the Super Bowl how about the Steelers 15-1 season when they throttled the Pats during the regular season, only to get trounced in the AFC Championship game. This could have been the luck of the draw, or it could have been that they had their signals and audibles on tape, synched with the game footage, and Belichick, in his insane paranoia/OCD, went all Windtalkers on it and cracked the code.

A quote after the 2001 championship game where Ward said "It's like they knew what plays we were going to run." This mirrors what Al Harris said after the Pats beat them 35-0 last season:

"It's almost like they knew what we were doing, you know?" he said. "You have to tip your hat to them. They ran plays designed for us. They ran plays that made us check out of some things. I don't know who calls their plays, but Belichick is pretty good. Honestly, he's pretty good."

You also have to wonder how deep this runs. In the 2001 season, the Patriots played the rams during the regular season and lost. They likely would have had their signals on tape and recorded if these allegations are true. They beat them in the Super Bowl. Could be coincidence, but it will forever be asterisked.

In the 2003 season, they played the Eagles in the regular season. Now fast forward to 2004 when the Pats played the Eagles in the Super Bowl after beating the Steelers. They may have had their signals recorded from the previous year and could’ve already had them deciphered. There was no coaching turnover from the 2003-2004 (if I recall correctly) season for the Eagles, and thus the signals probably would not have changed all that drastically.

This runs deep. The possible extent of the damage done is amazingly large.

Absence of evidence in those cases is not evidence of absence. It asterisks it and damages the integrity of the sport.

[klingsor]

Originally Posted by Rick Middleton

As has been stated by several coaches, it would be extremely difficult to use the video evidence from a game to crack the defensive or offensive audibles.



Hell, even Andy Reid came out and stated that

Yeah, but Andy Reid and the other coaches ain't ****ing "GENUISES" like Bellicheat.

[Rick Middleton]

Originally Posted by klingsor

Yeah, but Andy Reid and the other coaches ain't ****ing "GENUISES" like Bellicheat.

Shouldn't you be at an opera right now old man?

[Rick Middleton]

Originally Posted by Jay

Ok so if not the Super Bowl how about the Steelers 15-1 season when they throttled the Pats during the regular season, only to get trounced in the AFC Championship game. This could have been the luck of the draw, or it could have been that they had their signals and audibles on tape, synched with the game footage, and Belichick, in his insane paranoia/OCD, went all Windtalkers on it and cracked the code.

The game was in Pittsburgh, right? So, in terms of the whole "stealing radio signals" bit, was Pitt dumb enough to allow the Pats to muck with their headsets? And as far as the video taping defensive audibles is concerned, a lot of people have already stated that it would have been near impossible to use that information for the current game. And if the Pats taped their previous meeting and cracked the signals, why in the hell wouldn't the Steelers have changed their signals knowing full well that every team in the league uses some form of investigation to find out said signals? Again, sour grapes.

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by Rick Middleton

The game was in Pittsburgh, right? So, in terms of the whole "stealing radio signals" bit, was Pitt dumb enough to allow the Pats to muck with their headsets?

The Pats wouldn't need to touch anyone's headsets. All they would need is a guy with a scanner to find the frequency and tap in. With all those headsets using fairly similar frequencies, it wouldn't be that hard. But that's also why it is illegal.

Originally Posted by Rick Middleton

And if the Pats taped their previous meeting and cracked the signals, why in the hell wouldn't the Steelers have changed their signals knowing full well that every team in the league uses some form of investigation to find out said signals? Again, sour grapes.

So, it's the Steelers' fault for not anticipating that the Pats are cheaters?

[Alberta Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

So, it's the Steelers' fault for not anticipating that the Pats are cheaters?

They won't make that mistake again.

[Rick Middleton]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

So, it's the Steelers' fault for not anticipating that the Pats are cheaters?

If you go into a championship game using the same audible set as the 1st game of the season, then yes, you are at fault for being naive.

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by Rick Middleton

The Steelers were totally asking for it by wearing that slutty dress out in public.

hehe

[The Legend Killer]

Originally Posted by PhillyLikwiD

Once the video evidence came out I was pretty sure they cheated in the Super Bowl. It is a shame too, because guys like Mcnabb, Brian Dawkins, Brian Westbrook, Jevon Kearse really deserved that win. All the philly fans who spent money to go to that game were robbed. While I doubt there will be any retroactive rings delivered to The Eagles or even the Panthers for that matter, at least now, whenever someone throws up the "How many rings do the Eagles have?" trying to back door exit a sports argument I can say 'Hey, it isn't their fault the NFL let the Patriots and Bellicheat steal one.' And not sound like I'm completely full of it.

Any Proof...or do i have to remind you that your superstar QB was puking in the huddle and folding under pressure.

[SaintedBroncos24]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

That's exactly why the punishment is harsh. The league wants to keep others from cheating. I'm sure others have done it, and now, they see the price of getting caught. This had to be done, and the Pats deserve what they got.


You might want to take a look at the post above yours.

I agree that the Pats got what they deserved (didn't expect it to be draft picks though) and this does send a clear message to the rest of the league. Do I think teams are still going to try and gain an advantage and "cheat"? You bet I do. It's been going on for years and this one instance where the Pats got busted and punished is like pissing in the ocean. It makes no difference. Thats why I think this is blown way out of proportion by the media.
Yeah when I went to post it wasn't there. Thats what happens when your busy doing a million things at once.

As far as anyone who wins the SB there are no * next to any teams for me. You get to the SB, you win the game, you are the champs until someone knocks you off your throne, THE END.

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by SaintedBroncos24

As far as anyone who wins the SB there are no * next to any teams for me. You get to the SB, you win the game, you are the champs until someone knocks you off your throne, THE END.

Unless you're trying to anger a bunch of Pats fans. Then it's Super Bowl* all day long.

[SaintedBroncos24]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

Unless you're trying to anger a bunch of Pats fans. Then it's Super Bowl* all day long.

All righty then

[Rick Middleton]

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

hehe

Skank ho's!