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Old 11-09-2007, 01:22 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Is Chilly a terrible coach? Yes.

But what is more frustrating is that yes, he is a terrible coach...

But we could still be winning games. We're an ACCURATE QB away from being 6-2 or 5-3.

I think right now and for the rest of the season Bollinger gives us the best chance to win. The times I have watched him play, he has moved the offense pretty well.

With that being said, Chilly will try and start TJack. Frustrating.
The thing with Bollinger, is that he manages the game better than Jackson or Holcomb ever did. He knows were not a pass first, run second team. We live on the run, and when he is called up to throw, he doesn't force things. He makes a good read and delivers an accurate pass. Now i'm not saying that Bollinger is the future of the Vikes, because he's not, but with whats on our roster at the QB position, he might be the future of this year.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The thing with Bollinger, is that he manages the game better than Jackson or Holcomb ever did. He knows were not a pass first, run second team. We live on the run, and when he is called up to throw, he doesn't force things. He makes a good read and delivers an accurate pass. Now i'm not saying that Bollinger is the future of the Vikes, because he's not, but with whats on our roster at the QB position, he might be the future of this year.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

This is Bollinger:
Brooks Bollinger

He has been varying flavors of crap for his entire five year career. He was an unmitigated disaster up until this point for the Vikes. So bad, that they had to go out and trade for Holcomb.

This last week, he looked good. Not great, just good.

Now, what happened this last week? Peterson set the NFL single-season record. All Bollinger had to do was hand the ball off.

Bollinger remains an NFL bubble player. A weak arm, marginal athleticism and questionable decision making.

Sadly, a bubble NFLer may indeed be the best option at QB for the Vikes. Should the Vikes release him this summer, Brooks will again be fighting to stick on as a 3rd stringer somewhere.
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Old 11-09-2007, 10:02 PM   #18 (permalink)
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A big over-statement, wouldn't you think.

Over-rated? Likely. But without a doubt a good NFL starter. Question is, how many quality seasons does he have left?
I have serious questions about his attitude and his ability to stay healthy. He may be an upgrade over what you have, but I would not want to make him my first choice.
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It's scary to think that the Vikes are probably a quarterback away from contending
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I have serious questions about his attitude and his ability to stay healthy. He may be an upgrade over what you have, but I would not want to make him my first choice.
I agree with the first too, but those do not make him a bad QB. I see him as a poor leader that is injury prone. But he is a very good QB. Kinda like Lindros in a weird sort of way (though obviously not as good).

McNabb wouldn't be my first choise either, but he is definately starter-caliber. And when he is healthy, he can be a great one at that. How many of those good healthy seasons he has left is a big question though.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It's scary to think that the Vikes are probably a quarterback away from contending
It would have to be a great one. We still need a competent right side of the line and some receivers to throw too.

A pass rush DE and a 2nd reliable CB would go a long way too.
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McNabb sweepstakes?
chicago, we wants to go back home, and they want him there just as bad
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In an ideal world, Childress is fired and we make a run at Derek Anderson in the off-season (there are no FA QBs to speak and he is the only option that looks to be on the rise), but do it after the draft to make it a 2009 pick (I am assuming it will take a 1st roudner to get him).

Use the 2008 pick on the BPA (emphasis on WR, DE, CB and OT) and start spending some of our cap room on Grade A talent rather than overpaying Grade C wanna-be's. For example: Leber got 25 mil over 5 years while Julian Peterson got 54 mil over 7; Leber may cost only 2/3 what Peterson does per season, but is 1/4 of the player. A sad statement, we will pay Bobby Wade more this year than Moss will make even if he hits every single one of his bonuses.

All a pipe dream right now. Nothing will change with Childress in charge.
DA's a UFA and CLE will slap a 1st and a 3rd on him before the draft.

If min. wants him they will have to get him then. the browns will move him b4 the draft. I see either MIA, CAR, NYJ, ATL, Bal, TB or MIN making a move on him.
But i agree with you on MIN not doing anything with QB as long as childress is still there.

my guess is after the draft DA's gonna be on a team already, he won't be available then.
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DA's a UFA and CLE will slap a 1st and a 3rd on him before the draft.

If min. wants him they will have to get him then. the browns will move him b4 the draft. I see either MIA, CAR, NYJ, ATL, Bal, TB or MIN making a move on him.
But i agree with you on MIN not doing anything with QB as long as childress is still there.

my guess is after the draft DA's gonna be on a team already, he won't be available then.
I expect them to qualify him at the max as well. I was flipping between the Packers beat-down and the Steelers game, the announcers indicated (can't remember who they were) that the Browns want to ink DA to an extension before the season ends. Will DA go for it? Who knows, but it does make the most sense for the Browns. Quinn was a pain-in-the-arse to sign and still a wild card while DA is on the field and looking quite good (if he were in the NFC, he would be behind only Favre). Either Quinn or DA becomes trade bait.

Browns are in no rush to trade either, they can afford to sit on them for another year if need be.

Jets and Dolphins already have their QBs of the now and future set up. Dolphins are pissed off their fans by taking Ginn over Quinn, they believe Beck is their QB of tomorrow. Clemens had his first start last week and looks to be in it for the long-haul. I can't see either of them trading a 1st+ for a QB.
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RE: Today's 's Game

This may have been the game where the players finally quit on Childress. It was the worst performance the Vikes have had since... well since Les Steckel.

I can only hope that this was enough to convince Wilf of what a disaster Childress has been.
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Quinn was a pain-in-the-arse to sign and still a wild card while DA is on the field and looking quite good (if he were in the NFC, he would be behind only Favre). Either Quinn or DA becomes trade bait.

Browns are in no rush to trade either, they can afford to sit on them for another year if need be.
Funny enough, the Cleveland paper today talked about this. Quinn's deal lets the Browns not have to worry about this at all. Quinn is cheap and has a lot of his money tied up in incentives. The Browns can let him sit as long as they want since he's a non factor in the cap.
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A Cowboys fan would say this. Worried that an NFC team would take a AFC team's QB and make them a starter.
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The thing with Bollinger, is that he manages the game better than Jackson or Holcomb ever did. He knows were not a pass first, run second team. We live on the run, and when he is called up to throw, he doesn't force things. He makes a good read and delivers an accurate pass. Now i'm not saying that Bollinger is the future of the Vikes, because he's not, but with whats on our roster at the QB position, he might be the future of this year.
Can I take this back? I was drunk when I said it... and i;m drunk now... Please let me take this back.
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A Cowboys fan would say this. Worried that an NFC team would take a AFC team's QB and make them a starter.
I think you might have been drunk when saying this too. As far as I know the team isn't just the QB it's the whole team. If you don't have skill players around him then you don't play well. Last time I checked, Vikings didn't have receivers who could hold onto the ball.
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I think you might have been drunk when saying this too. As far as I know the team isn't just the QB it's the whole team. If you don't have skill players around him then you don't play well. Last time I checked, Vikings didn't have receivers who could hold onto the ball.
As somebody who has seen every Vikings game, you are right. Vikes have piss-poor WRs.

But as bad as the WRs have been, the QBs have been worse. FAR worse.

Even when the WRs do get open, I QBs can hit them with a catchable ball.

Jackson has the throwing skills of a drunken Vick. Bollinger can hit a wide-open man underneath... and that is about it. Holcomb is a weaker armed and less mobile version of Brad Johnson.

If Vikes had a competent game manager, we could be competitive.
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