Cowboys 2008 1st Round Picks Discussion - Page 4

Roy_Williams318 · 10-13-2007, 06:29 PM

I'm not saying I would draft two CBs.....I'm saying I would take two CBs before I ever even thought of looking at a safety. There is NO need for drafting a safety this year.

Hamlin & Watkins....they're not ready to give up on Watkins I'm sure....and Hamlin is doing pretty good if you don't count all the missed tackles. I mean in no way is it a position of need next year unless they decide not to get Hamlin. Even then Watkins with two years under his belt and the talent he has would probably start over whoever is drafted (in the later rounds lol).

1. Corner or RB
1. RB or Corner
2. WR
3. No need to draft a DT with Tank, Ferguson and Hatcher....so maybe a safety could come here...probably take another corner though lol.

(Do the Cowboys have two second rounders? I thought I saw someone say that somewhere but I havent paid attention to anything besides the two first rounders.)

Transplanted Caper · 10-13-2007, 06:39 PM

I think we'll be a in a position where we go with the BPA. It looks like the Browns will put together a decent enough campaign to avoid the Top 5 pick we were hoping for, so come draft time we'll look at our holes and decide who among the remaining players will fill the hole the best whether it be at WR, CB, RB or Safety, although I personally believe you can find a better option at CB and WR in the first round than looking for a RB, particularly when said player is likely to be paired with Barber.

Roy_Williams318 · 10-13-2007, 08:07 PM

I just don't want Hart to slip away....I think him and Barber are a DAMN good match. I wouldn't be able to pass that up if he was available with the second pick.

Goose · 10-14-2007, 11:35 AM

I don't have a problem with Hart... unless he is seriously hurt from yesterday.

MS72 · 10-15-2007, 08:41 AM

Yesterday pretty much showed it.

We need CB's or safeties. I want Antoine Cason or Kenny Phillips with another CB/S.

Troy McClure · 10-15-2007, 01:35 PM

I'd also like to add some talent to the offensive line. Too much age there for my tastes. I also find it annoying that a line as experienced as that group keeps piling up penalties.

MaddHatter · 10-15-2007, 04:21 PM

For whoever said TO is old... age means nothing when talking about him - he is in good enough shape to have a Jerry Rice-esq career and play another 8+ years.

Hurd is a solid WR that will get better with more reps. He's currently playing slot but is at his best on the outsides.

Crayton is a solid #2 and a great #3 - he's 27 but has only 4 years under his belt.

Austin / Stanback - great depth at WR - neither has had a shot to prove anything yet and you already want to drop them?

Next years lineup:
#1 - TO
#2 - Hurd
Slot - Crayton
Backups - Austin, Stanback, mid-round pick

After the Patriots game, Hamlin was exposed for the liability he is - he gave up 3 deep balls, 2 for TD's and bit on all of the Play Actions that Brady ran... and when we're only giving up 1.5yd/carry, we don't need our FS biting on Play Action - he looks lost in the Zone Coverage and is decent at best in man coverage - he's a wanna-be Roy Williams who tackles slightly better.

If Roy didn't have the huge cap impact he does, I'd take Hamlin over Roy, but as it sits, he's expendable and should be cut at the end of the year.

Now maybe Watkins is ready to step up and play, but I don't expect him to be until he can take over the position from Hamlin, which he hasn't done yet. So that leads me to believe our staff has no faith in him.

That leaves us two options - move Glenn to Safety and draft a shutdown, physical CB, or draft Kenny Phillips, the only Ball Hawking Safety worth a 1st round pick who could start day one. If we don't get Phillips, we need to take a Corner like Jenkins, King or Talib and use the other pick on BPA.

I don't mind us using the BPA on a play maker like McFadden or Jackson or even a 3-4 DE, but we MUST have atleast 1 of our picks go to our secondary. That truth can not be denied

Roy_Williams318 · 10-15-2007, 07:23 PM

True....but do you think Jones is gonna shell out another 20 million to keep butterfingers if he keeps this up next year? I personally don't.

Hamlin cannot tackle better than Roy...and I find it laughable that anyone can say that after this year. They picked up a SS to play FS.....

This just showed the Cowboys really need a corner in the first....a FS can't stop little 5 yard slants. Henry is hurt constantly...and Jones on Welker=massacre. That is what killed the Cowboys....not having another corner and having to play so far off that they could get 10 yards at a time on little slants. My head was about to pop....either they spend big on one in the offseason or they draft one...if they don't it's not gonna be any good next year either.

Goose · 10-15-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MaddHatter

For whoever said TO is old... age means nothing when talking about him - he is in good enough shape to have a Jerry Rice-esq career and play another 8+ years.

Hurd is a solid WR that will get better with more reps. He's currently playing slot but is at his best on the outsides.

Crayton is a solid #2 and a great #3 - he's 27 but has only 4 years under his belt.

Austin / Stanback - great depth at WR - neither has had a shot to prove anything yet and you already want to drop them?

Next years lineup:
#1 - TO
#2 - Hurd
Slot - Crayton
Backups - Austin, Stanback, mid-round pick

After the Patriots game, Hamlin was exposed for the liability he is - he gave up 3 deep balls, 2 for TD's and bit on all of the Play Actions that Brady ran... and when we're only giving up 1.5yd/carry, we don't need our FS biting on Play Action - he looks lost in the Zone Coverage and is decent at best in man coverage - he's a wanna-be Roy Williams who tackles slightly better.

If Roy didn't have the huge cap impact he does, I'd take Hamlin over Roy, but as it sits, he's expendable and should be cut at the end of the year.

Now maybe Watkins is ready to step up and play, but I don't expect him to be until he can take over the position from Hamlin, which he hasn't done yet. So that leads me to believe our staff has no faith in him.

That leaves us two options - move Glenn to Safety and draft a shutdown, physical CB, or draft Kenny Phillips, the only Ball Hawking Safety worth a 1st round pick who could start day one. If we don't get Phillips, we need to take a Corner like Jenkins, King or Talib and use the other pick on BPA.

I don't mind us using the BPA on a play maker like McFadden or Jackson or even a 3-4 DE, but we MUST have atleast 1 of our picks go to our secondary. That truth can not be denied

I agree with every single thing you just said

. Although with Henry's injury problems I hesitate to rely on him at Saftey I think he could make the transition. Our secondary has been the achilles heel of this defense for years, and I personally would not be disapointed in a major overhaul in next years draft.

Troy McClure · 10-15-2007, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaddHatter

For whoever said TO is old... age means nothing when talking about him - he is in good enough shape to have a Jerry Rice-esq career and play another 8+ years.

Maybe. He's had a lot more injury trouble over the past few years than Rice did around this same age. He's in great shape, but can he stay healthy and keep making plays? I don't know. I can tell you one thing: if he plays another 8 years, they won't all be for the Cowboys.

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Originally Posted by MaddHatter

Austin / Stanback - great depth at WR - neither has had a shot to prove anything yet and you already want to drop them?

No, but I'm also not about to count them as anything resembling good depth. That's the point. They are total unknowns. I'll tell you that I am disappointed that Stanback wasn't able to win a return job out of camp. That was supposed to be a strong point of his.

MaddHatter · 10-16-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

Maybe. He's had a lot more injury trouble over the past few years than Rice did around this same age. He's in great shape, but can he stay healthy and keep making plays? I don't know. I can tell you one thing: if he plays another 8 years, they won't all be for the Cowboys.

No, but I'm also not about to count them as anything resembling good depth. That's the point. They are total unknowns. I'll tell you that I am disappointed that Stanback wasn't able to win a return job out of camp. That was supposed to be a strong point of his.

We took what... 9 or 10 WR's into training camp? Austin & Stanback are the ones who won their jobs. The ones we cut, well one is #4 for the Cardinals and I think another went to our practice squad and another is a backup on another NFL team. These guys earned their spots.

As for Stanback doing returns, he's still ramping up to full speed - I am dissapointed he hasn't fully recovered yet, but would be suprised if we don't start seeing more of him after the bye week

10-13-2007, 06:29 PM	#46 (permalink)
Roy_Williams318 Starter Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 464 vCash: 50 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	I'm not saying I would draft two CBs.....I'm saying I would take two CBs before I ever even thought of looking at a safety. There is NO need for drafting a safety this year. Hamlin & Watkins....they're not ready to give up on Watkins I'm sure....and Hamlin is doing pretty good if you don't count all the missed tackles. I mean in no way is it a position of need next year unless they decide not to get Hamlin. Even then Watkins with two years under his belt and the talent he has would probably start over whoever is drafted (in the later rounds lol). 1. Corner or RB 1. RB or Corner 2. WR 3. No need to draft a DT with Tank, Ferguson and Hatcher....so maybe a safety could come here...probably take another corner though lol. (Do the Cowboys have two second rounders? I thought I saw someone say that somewhere but I havent paid attention to anything besides the two first rounders.) __________________

10-13-2007, 06:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
Transplanted Caper Cowboys MVP Homerun Rally Champion! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ottawa Age: 25 Posts: 2,462 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Notre Dame Fighting Irish	I think we'll be a in a position where we go with the BPA. It looks like the Browns will put together a decent enough campaign to avoid the Top 5 pick we were hoping for, so come draft time we'll look at our holes and decide who among the remaining players will fill the hole the best whether it be at WR, CB, RB or Safety, although I personally believe you can find a better option at CB and WR in the first round than looking for a RB, particularly when said player is likely to be paired with Barber. __________________ Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. - Edward R. Murrow

10-13-2007, 08:07 PM	#48 (permalink)
Roy_Williams318 Starter Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 464 vCash: 50 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	I just don't want Hart to slip away....I think him and Barber are a DAMN good match. I wouldn't be able to pass that up if he was available with the second pick. __________________

10-15-2007, 07:23 PM	#53 (permalink)
Roy_Williams318 Starter Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 464 vCash: 50 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	True....but do you think Jones is gonna shell out another 20 million to keep butterfingers if he keeps this up next year? I personally don't. Hamlin cannot tackle better than Roy...and I find it laughable that anyone can say that after this year. They picked up a SS to play FS..... This just showed the Cowboys really need a corner in the first....a FS can't stop little 5 yard slants. Henry is hurt constantly...and Jones on Welker=massacre. That is what killed the Cowboys....not having another corner and having to play so far off that they could get 10 yards at a time on little slants. My head was about to pop....either they spend big on one in the offseason or they draft one...if they don't it's not gonna be any good next year either. __________________

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10-14-2007, 11:35 AM	#49 (permalink)
Goose President and CEO of FBB Bowling Champion! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Worth Age: 31 Posts: 2,423 vCash: 3859 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas A&M Aggies	I don't have a problem with Hart... unless he is seriously hurt from yesterday.

10-15-2007, 01:35 PM	#51 (permalink)
Troy McClure Grand Poobah of funk Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Springfield, USA Posts: 577 vCash: 50 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Springfield University	I'd also like to add some talent to the offensive line. Too much age there for my tastes. I also find it annoying that a line as experienced as that group keeps piling up penalties.

10-15-2007, 04:21 PM	#52 (permalink)
MaddHatter All-Pro Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 692 vCash: 2868 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	For whoever said TO is old... age means nothing when talking about him - he is in good enough shape to have a Jerry Rice-esq career and play another 8+ years. Hurd is a solid WR that will get better with more reps. He's currently playing slot but is at his best on the outsides. Crayton is a solid #2 and a great #3 - he's 27 but has only 4 years under his belt. Austin / Stanback - great depth at WR - neither has had a shot to prove anything yet and you already want to drop them? Next years lineup: #1 - TO #2 - Hurd Slot - Crayton Backups - Austin, Stanback, mid-round pick After the Patriots game, Hamlin was exposed for the liability he is - he gave up 3 deep balls, 2 for TD's and bit on all of the Play Actions that Brady ran... and when we're only giving up 1.5yd/carry, we don't need our FS biting on Play Action - he looks lost in the Zone Coverage and is decent at best in man coverage - he's a wanna-be Roy Williams who tackles slightly better. If Roy didn't have the huge cap impact he does, I'd take Hamlin over Roy, but as it sits, he's expendable and should be cut at the end of the year. Now maybe Watkins is ready to step up and play, but I don't expect him to be until he can take over the position from Hamlin, which he hasn't done yet. So that leads me to believe our staff has no faith in him. That leaves us two options - move Glenn to Safety and draft a shutdown, physical CB, or draft Kenny Phillips, the only Ball Hawking Safety worth a 1st round pick who could start day one. If we don't get Phillips, we need to take a Corner like Jenkins, King or Talib and use the other pick on BPA. I don't mind us using the BPA on a play maker like McFadden or Jackson or even a 3-4 DE, but we MUST have atleast 1 of our picks go to our secondary. That truth can not be denied

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