My Romo thread

[Hawknut5]

Originally Posted by MS72

I hate Tony Romo. He's costing us this game.

We're gonna be raped by New England.

Well at least your a realist unlike alot of the Cowboy fans in here. Now im not trying to be a troll like that BigDaddy or whatever the hell his name was. But Romo is not god. Thats the vibe that this thread is giving off. He isnt even in the top 5 of the best QB's in the NFL. No way should he have gone to the pro bowl last year. Unless he has an amazing rest of his season, he shouldnt be there this year.

[klingsor]

Originally Posted by Hawknut5

Well at least your a realist unlike alot of the Cowboy fans in here. Now im not trying to be a troll like that BigDaddy or whatever the hell his name was. But Romo is not god. Thats the vibe that this thread is giving off. He isnt even in the top 5 of the best QB's in the NFL. No way should he have gone to the pro bowl last year. Unless he has an amazing rest of his season, he shouldnt be there this year.

Don't you understand how egocentric Dallas fans are?

Everything's about them.

I'm surprised there isn't a thread about every one of their players.

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by Hawknut5

Well at least your a realist unlike alot of the Cowboy fans in here. Now im not trying to be a troll like that BigDaddy or whatever the hell his name was. But Romo is not god. Thats the vibe that this thread is giving off. He isnt even in the top 5 of the best QB's in the NFL. No way should he have gone to the pro bowl last year. Unless he has an amazing rest of his season, he shouldnt be there this year.

After a long string of dud QBs, Cowboys fans are just finally glad to have a guy that can win games and make some amazing plays.

Originally Posted by klingsor

I'm surprised there isn't a thread about every one of their players.

It's only this way because this site is so dead. What do we have, maybe 20 people that post on a regular basis? A third of those at least are Cowboys fans. It's not like there are other worthwhile threads being started.

[varybarry]

It's fine to celebrate a QB or RB. It's good to have a thread to celebrate someone, but they need to realize there is going to be some haters when the player has a bad game.

[Goose]

Originally Posted by Hawknut5

Well at least your a realist unlike alot of the Cowboy fans in here. Now im not trying to be a troll like that BigDaddy or whatever the hell his name was. But Romo is not god. Thats the vibe that this thread is giving off. He isnt even in the top 5 of the best QB's in the NFL. No way should he have gone to the pro bowl last year. Unless he has an amazing rest of his season, he shouldnt be there this year.

He was easily a pro-bowler last year, and name 5 QBs you'd take over him?

Our Defense hasn't given up a TD in amost 2 1/2 games, last night was a total fluke don't expect for Romo to have half of those turnovers in any other game this season. Keep talking about it, I hope the Cowboy's go into this week as a huge dog to the Pats... that's when we play best.

[yourmom]

Originally Posted by Gzus

with 4 INTs in the first half, the second half will be the real test for him.

Even though I wanted to see Johnson...

He truly is a Jedi come on 5 int and a fumble.

and you still are money when needed most.

[druzus]

Originally Posted by Goose

He was easily a pro-bowler last year, and name 5 QBs you'd take over him?

Our Defense hasn't given up a TD in amost 2 1/2 games, last night was a total fluke don't expect for Romo to have half of those turnovers in any other game this season. Keep talking about it, I hope the Cowboy's go into this week as a huge dog to the Pats... that's when we play best.

wow? really?

i dont think he was in there easily. i think actually he should have been left out, but because he had a great start to the season last year the dismal last half he had was overlooked.

of all QBs in the NFC Romo was:

5th in throwing %
7th in yards thrown
18th in yards/game
7th in TDs
8th in interceptions thrown
5th in QB rating with a 95.1

if anything, he just sneaked in..

of all QBs, heres some i would take over him from last year:

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees
5. Mcnabb from when he was healthy
6. Bulger
7. Even Rivers from last year!!

theres no way imo he should have been included in the probowl last year

and if you wanna keep it strictly to the NFC then maybe Eli should have made the pro bowl if you wanna put Romo in there. hell, manning had better numbers...maybe if romo would have played all the games they would have been about even as far as stats. shhii,., id put brett farve in there before romo last year even with the year brett had!

if romo was easily anything last year... it was easily not nearly as special as anyone made him out to be from even before his first preseason snap and on...

[Troy McClure]

Originally Posted by druzus

wow? really?

i dont think he was in there easily. i think actually he should have been left out, but because he had a great start to the season last year the dismal last half he had was overlooked.

He didn't have a "dismal" last half. That is greatly overstated. He was still good. It was the defense that fell apart in the later part of last season. The offense kept scoring as much as it was early on in the season.

[Goose]

Originally Posted by druzus

wow? really?

i dont think he was in there easily. i think actually he should have been left out, but because he had a great start to the season last year the dismal last half he had was overlooked.

of all QBs in the NFC Romo was:

5th in throwing %
7th in yards thrown
18th in yards/game
7th in TDs
8th in interceptions thrown
5th in QB rating with a 95.1

He only played in 10 games so half of those stats are bogus. I completely agree, and you know me Druzuz I am no homer, that he played horrible in the last 4 games, but he was easily the 3rd best QB in the NFC.

Originally Posted by druzus

if anything, he just sneaked in..

of all QBs, heres some i would take over him from last year:

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees
5. Mcnabb from when he was healthy
6. Bulger
7. Even Rivers from last year!!

theres no way imo he should have been included in the probowl last year

and if you wanna keep it strictly to the NFC then maybe Eli should have made the pro bowl if you wanna put Romo in there. hell, manning had better numbers...maybe if romo would have played all the games they would have been about even as far as stats. shhii,., id put brett farve in there before romo last year even with the year brett had!

if romo was easily anything last year... it was easily not nearly as special as anyone made him out to be from even before his first preseason snap and on...

You're out of your mind Druz...

Manning - AFC
Brady - AFC
Palmer - AFC
Brees - Was the probowl starter
Mcnabb - wasn't healthy, and didn't play better even when he was. Same number of starts and had less TDs, less yards, less yards per catch, and an even QB rating.
Bulger - was the 1st reserve for the probowl
Rivers - AFC

So you are still yet to tell me how Romo wasn't a probowler last year. And please don't bring Manning into the converstation, he was no where close to a probowler last year.

The conversation isn't what 5 QBs you would take over Romo last year, it's right now. Would you take Brees or Bulger over Romo this year? Name 5 QBs that you would rather have on your team than Romo right now. I got 3, Manning, Brady and Plamer. If you got 2 more I'd like to hear them.

Romo was easily the 3rd best QB in the NFC last year and you would be hard pressed to name 5 guys you'd take over him right now.

[MaddHatter]

Originally Posted by druzus

wow? really?
i dont think he was in there easily. i think actually he should have been left out, but because he had a great start to the season last year the dismal last half he had was overlooked.

of all QBs in the NFC Romo was:
5th in throwing %
7th in yards thrown
18th in yards/game
7th in TDs
8th in interceptions thrown
5th in QB rating with a 95.1

if anything, he just sneaked in..

of all QBs, heres some i would take over him from last year:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. Brees
5. Mcnabb from when he was healthy
6. Bulger
7. Even Rivers from last year!!

theres no way imo he should have been included in the probowl last year

and if you wanna keep it strictly to the NFC then maybe Eli should have made the pro bowl if you wanna put Romo in there. hell, manning had better numbers...maybe if romo would have played all the games they would have been about even as far as stats. shhii,., id put brett farve in there before romo last year even with the year brett had!

if romo was easily anything last year... it was easily not nearly as special as anyone made him out to be from even before his first preseason snap and on...

If you factor in the # of games Romo played vs. the rest of the QB's the numbers go way up (you're 7th this, and 11th that are from totals only)

Okay, let's take a serious look at the QB's who were worthy of consideration in the NFC...

Cowboys - Romo (10GS, 65.3%, 2903yds, 19TD, 13INT, 21sacks 95.1 RTG)
New York - Manning (16GS, 57.7%, 3244yds, 24TD, 18INT, 25sacks, 77.0 RTG)
Philadelphia - McNabb (10GS, 57%, 2647yds, 18TD, 6INT, 21sacks, 95.5 RTG)
Washington - Campbell (7GS, 53.1%, 1297yds, 10TD, 6INT, 7sacks, 76.5 RTG)

Chicago - Grossman (16GS, 54.6%, 3193yds, 23TD, 20INT, 21sacks, 73.9 RTG)
Detroit - Kitna (16GS, 62.4%, 4208yds, 21TD, 20INT, 63sacks, 79.9 RTG)
Green Bay - Favre (16GS, 56.0%, 3885yds, 18TD, 18INT, 21sacks, 72.7 RTG)
Minnesota - Johnson (14GS, 61.5%, 2750yds, 9TD, 15INT, 29sacks, 72.0 RTG)

Atlanta - Vick (16GS, 52.6%, 2474yds, 20TD, 13INT, 45sacks, 75.7 RTG)
Carolina - Delhomme (13GS, 61.0%, 2805yds, 17TD, 11INT, 22sacks, 82.6 RTG)
Saints - Brees (16GS, 64.3%, 4418yds, 26TD, 11INT, 18sacks, 96.2 RTG)
Tampa Bay - Gradkowski (11GS, 54.0%, 1661yds, 9TD, 9INT, 25sacks, 65.9 RTG)

Rams - Bulger (16GS, 62.9%, 4301yds, 24TD, 8INT, 49sacks, 92.9 RTG)
Seattle - Hasselback (12GS, 56.6%, 2442yds, 18TD, 15INT, 34sacks, 76.0 RTG)
San Fran - Smith (16GS, 58.1%, 2890yds, 16TD, 16INT, 35sacks, 74.8 RTG)
Arizona - Leinart (11GS, 56.8%, 2547yds, 11TD, 12INT, 21sacks, 74.0 RTG)

I think it's easy to see that Romo far outshined the rest of the NFC, and while McNabb was a close competitor, he failed to lead his team to win games, and then the injury all but took him out of contention. As for Eli... he had 300more yards and 5 more TD's but played in 6 more games... not to mention his 77 QB RTG...

Had McNabb not been injured, I'm sure he would have found his way to a ProBowl spot, but he did get injured, and Romo came on hot and lead the Cowboys back to the playoffs after few people, if anyone, thought they'd come close... That's why he was there

[druzus]

ok, a lot does have to do with what you nessicarily want to factor in...age, previous injuries, contract length, talent, consistancy, longevity... but, ill try and keep it plain and simple...my top five for this year through week five:

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Favre
4. Palmer
5. Mcnabb (yes, ill still take him over Romo, shouldn't surprise anyone )

and ill tell you what, ill take eli off the list because we all know his stats wouldnt be what they are without plexico (eli prb falls around 8, or 9 for me), so, what im gonna do is throw rothelisburger at right about online with Romo and ill give you one big reason why. ben is consistantly able to win games by managing them, and avoiding stupid mistakes which tony couldnt do last night, he got 6 stupid mistakes if you count the fumble.

ok, so goose, your right, romo prb falls in the 4, 5, 6, 7 range for most probably this year so far, but last nights performance knocked him quite a ways down the ladder. meaning, another week like last nights game soon and he could easily be behind hasselback, derek andreson, philip rivers, eli, maybe even Jason Campbell

[druzus]

Originally Posted by MaddHatter

If you factor in the # of games Romo played vs. the rest of the QB's the numbers go way up (you're 7th this, and 11th that are from totals only)

Okay, let's take a serious look at the QB's who were worthy of consideration in the NFC...

Cowboys - Romo (10GS, 65.3%, 2903yds, 19TD, 13INT, 21sacks 95.1 RTG)
New York - Manning (16GS, 57.7%, 3244yds, 24TD, 18INT, 25sacks, 77.0 RTG)
Philadelphia - McNabb (10GS, 57%, 2647yds, 18TD, 6INT, 21sacks, 95.5 RTG)
Washington - Campbell (7GS, 53.1%, 1297yds, 10TD, 6INT, 7sacks, 76.5 RTG)

Chicago - Grossman (16GS, 54.6%, 3193yds, 23TD, 20INT, 21sacks, 73.9 RTG)
Detroit - Kitna (16GS, 62.4%, 4208yds, 21TD, 20INT, 63sacks, 79.9 RTG)
Green Bay - Favre (16GS, 56.0%, 3885yds, 18TD, 18INT, 21sacks, 72.7 RTG)
Minnesota - Johnson (14GS, 61.5%, 2750yds, 9TD, 15INT, 29sacks, 72.0 RTG)

Atlanta - Vick (16GS, 52.6%, 2474yds, 20TD, 13INT, 45sacks, 75.7 RTG)
Carolina - Delhomme (13GS, 61.0%, 2805yds, 17TD, 11INT, 22sacks, 82.6 RTG)
Saints - Brees (16GS, 64.3%, 4418yds, 26TD, 11INT, 18sacks, 96.2 RTG)
Tampa Bay - Gradkowski (11GS, 54.0%, 1661yds, 9TD, 9INT, 25sacks, 65.9 RTG)

Rams - Bulger (16GS, 62.9%, 4301yds, 24TD, 8INT, 49sacks, 92.9 RTG)
Seattle - Hasselback (12GS, 56.6%, 2442yds, 18TD, 15INT, 34sacks, 76.0 RTG)
San Fran - Smith (16GS, 58.1%, 2890yds, 16TD, 16INT, 35sacks, 74.8 RTG)
Arizona - Leinart (11GS, 56.8%, 2547yds, 11TD, 12INT, 21sacks, 74.0 RTG)

I think it's easy to see that Romo far outshined the rest of the NFC, and while McNabb was a close competitor, he failed to lead his team to win games, and then the injury all but took him out of contention. As for Eli... he had 300more yards and 5 more TD's but played in 6 more games... not to mention his 77 QB RTG...

Had McNabb not been injured, I'm sure he would have found his way to a ProBowl spot, but he did get injured, and Romo came on hot and lead the Cowboys back to the playoffs after few people, if anyone, thought they'd come close... That's why he was there

wow- kitna was manhandled last year

Originally Posted by Goose

Mcnabb - wasn't healthy, and didn't play better even when he was. Same number of starts and had less TDs, less yards, less yards per catch, and an even QB rating.

1 less TD AND 7 less INTS, Mcnabb had 264 YPG, Romo had 181 YPG, the YPC average difference isnt really significant.

Originally Posted by Goose

So you are still yet to tell me how Romo wasn't a probowler last year. And please don't bring Manning into the converstation, he was no where close to a probowler last year.

The conversation isn't what 5 QBs you would take over Romo last year, it's right now. Would you take Brees or Bulger over Romo this year? Name 5 QBs that you would rather have on your team than Romo right now. I got 3, Manning, Brady and Plamer. If you got 2 more I'd like to hear them.

Romo was easily the 3rd best QB in the NFC last year and you would be hard pressed to name 5 guys you'd take over him right now.

Back to the one who shouldnt have gone to the probowl last year.

there was eli, brett, kitna, garcia for what he did maaayybbee... delhomme wasnt terrible, then you got the dog killer too, i mean, your acting like romo was heads and shoulders above all these guys...and i dont blame you all for looking at romo with rose colored glasses, BUT youre mostly a lot of the same people in a thread about roy williams said its better to point out flaws, than avoid looking at them.

romo isnt perfect, but thats not the point..yeah hes had a great year so far, but look, he didnt have a pro bowl cailber season last year. well, then again, aparently he did. but imo, theres no way he deserved it, letalone EASILY deserved any probowl voting last year and that point is evident because of all of the people that were or should have been at least along side of him as far as pro bowl ballots go.

[MaddHatter]

Originally Posted by druzus

wow- kitna was manhandled last year

And somehow I convinced myself he should be my Fantasy QB... That -7 pts was AWESOME!!

[Gzus]

Originally Posted by druzus

1 less TD AND 7 less INTS, Mcnabb had 264 YPG, Romo had 181 YPG, the YPC average difference isnt really significant.

You really didn't do your math right sir. McNabb had 264 YPG, Romo had 290 YPG. 10 starts each. and Romo had a better completion percentage by 8.3% and that is with a drop-happy T.O.

[MaddHatter]

Originally Posted by druzus

Back to the one who shouldnt have gone to the probowl last year.

there was eli, brett, kitna, garcia for what he did maaayybbee... delhomme wasnt terrible, then you got the dog killer too, i mean, your acting like romo was heads and shoulders above all these guys...and i dont blame you all for looking at romo with rose colored glasses, BUT youre mostly a lot of the same people in a thread about roy williams said its better to point out flaws, than avoid looking at them.

romo isnt perfect, but thats not the point..yeah hes had a great year so far, but look, he didnt have a pro bowl cailber season last year. well, then again, aparently he did. but imo, theres no way he deserved it, letalone EASILY deserved any probowl voting last year and that point is evident because of all of the people that were or should have been at least along side of him as far as pro bowl ballots go.

First off, Romo was not a Top 5 QB in the NFL last year, but he was a Top 3 QB in the NFC, which is why he made the probowl.

For what the NFC had to choose from, Romo was the best option - Eli was horrid (why do you keep bring him up...) Kitna was even worse and while Garcia was solid, he only had 6 starts... to send someone to the ProBowl with only 10starts is one thing, but 6 starts is just unheard of... as for Delhomme, you really must have fallen off the wagon hard..


I realize your an Eagles fan, but if you would take your Green Glasses off for two seconds, you would easily see that the only other option the NFC had was McNabb, who was still injured and was no better then Romo in the same number of starts...

I get the homerism thing, but common... this is getting ridiculous