Gzus

BTW Roy Williams last season compared to Sean Taylor:

Roy: 5 INTs
Taylor: 1 INT

Roy: 14 Passes Defensed
Taylor: 7 Passes Defensed

Those are the primary numbers concerned with pass coverage. To me it seems like Roy is a better at pass coverage than Taylor.

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Goose

I have waited to join in on this for a while. I am kind of torn here... I love Roy and HATE Roy at the same time. Personally I think it is a personal issue, we shouldn't ask Roy to be in coverage as much as he is. He is not good. I think for the $$$$ he is getting he should be better, and it frustrates me that he makes the same mistakes all the time.

To your last point Gzus, Roy is a playmaker, no doubt about it, hence those numbers on Ints and Pass' defended, but I think Taylor is more consistant. Roy misses easy tackles because he is too interested in seeing his number on sports centers highlight reels and his ability to offer covereage help to CBs on posts in un-reliable at best. We need a coverage saftey and another solid CB so that we can play to his strengths... until then we will continue to question his ability.

It would be like asking, Gange to be a starter in your rotation back in his prime... why would you do it? Why do we continue to ask Roy to help cover the Santana Moss' and Burress' of the league... he can't, find someone that can and let Roy chase the f*&%cking ball like he should be.

Troy McClure

You could also look at the number of pass coverage penalties.

Gzus

It's all about utilization. I think Roy is being utilized incorrectly currently just because we are missing Newman. I don't care about his pass coverage skills because that is not what we pay him for. True he is a strong safety but I see him more as a specialist who can roam the field and make plays. I agree with many people that he would be better utilized as a linebacker, but then we would more issues finding a replacement SS. It would be cool to see them implement Williams as a LB for a game and put Watkins in as SS, I would like to see what would happen b/c I think Roy would be a phenomenal LB.

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Roy_Williams318

Why do people keep saying that about Roy? That he's to interested being on ESPN to wrap up? He doesn't go for near....(not even remotely close) as many big hits as he used to. He always goes for the legs for the most part now....you can't get many big hit highlights tackling legs.

I'm not attacking anyone...I'm asking a simple question cause it could be that I'm just not paying close enough attention.

Goose

Because he is a great "Hitter" and a below average tackler. He has arms he just rarely uses them.

Roy_Williams318

A below average tackler? I don't know about that.....not many times have I seen someone get away from Roy.

Goose

How many Cowboy games have you watched? Roy misses tackles all the time.

Look, don't take this out of context. I love Roy Williams, in fact he is 1 or 2 jersey's I own (Jay Novacheck), but he has his faults. The Biggest 2 being Pass Coverage and going for the Kill instead of the tackle.

My point is that we let him play the ball, it's what he did in college and it's where he is successfull in the NFL. Quit asking him to be responsible for as much coverage, and let him chase the ball.

That's why he has the INTs and Pass' Defended, it's when he plays the ball and not a WR.

Roy_Williams318

I watch every game...every year. Nothing is being taken out of context.....I just don't agree with what you're saying in this case.

He does not miss tackles all the time...I heard people bitching and moaning about him missing tackles in the first game and to my knowledge he missed none. Hamlin missed 4. This game he "missed" one....grabbed at a bad angle but broke up the reverse and held him long enough to get hit by two other Cowboys. I've rarely seen him go for a big hit the past two years and not try and wrap up....yet people say it like it's all he does.

Every now and then I can agree with...all the time? I just can't because I don't see it

Jay

I mean c'mon, he played at Blow U ... what do you expect

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Goose

Well it's too bad missed tackles aren't a tracked stat... I can't tell you how many times last year and a couple of times durring the Giants game I screamed at Roy via my TV to use his F*cking arms when he tackles.

Gzus

I agree he doesn't wrap up, the guy always goes for the big play, forced fumbles, etc. He doesn't have a phenomenal amount of tackles due to this, you can see it in his seasonal stats. IF he learns he needs to wrap up the runner instead of going for the ball then he would be much better. As to his pass coverage, it all takes a little bit of discipline, he likes to look into the back field and by the time he realizes it's a pass he is out of position, the only reason why he doesn't give up even more big plays is his athletic ability to make up for being out of position. Unfortunately he cannot get into position using his athletic skills every time and therefore gets burned consistently. My previous views on Roy Williams have been in support of him, I only want to point out these flaws to see him better his game. He is a great player, but if he stops looking into the backfield as much and wraps up the ball carrier he would be one of the top 3-4 safeties in the league.

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Roy_Williams318

I honestly wish ya'll had videos or something cause I flat out don't see what you're talking about when I watch the games. Sometimes I see him come from behind and try stripping the player....but rarely (practically never the past two years) ever do I see him just lower his shoulder and expect the other player to fall. He doesn't even really tackle up high anymore...he always wraps up the legs.

He's had fewer tackles cause he's not around the ball as much...he's been playing so deep he can't help stop the run unless the RB is 20 yards deep into the secondary. The only time I don't see him use his hands on a tackle is when the player is already falling to the ground...then it's shoulder first.

Someone give me multipule examples this year....cause I've seen it once. Except he used his hands that one time but tried spinning him down because he slipped and the guy got away 4 second later and got tackled on the spot.

Gzus

Um if you look over some of the big passing plays that we've given up if you look at where Roy is he is lined up about 10 yards from the line of scrimmage and is staring in the backfield, in doing so he leaves a hug void in the zone right behind him, which Trent Green and Eli Manning exploited a few times for a gain of 20-30 yards. One prime example was 2nd quarter of the Miami game with less than 2 minutes to go; 3 & 10 at the MIA 31 Roy Williams was staring in the backfield and Green shot one across the middle to Booker for 26 yards. I can find you a couple more given time to look over my tapes, but that one play really stood out b/c Roy was staring in the backfield and totally disregarding his assignment, he was looking for the run to make the big play but instead gave up a big passing play.

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Roy_Williams318

This year is completely different...he's "playing closer to the line" lol. I'm talking about the previous years.....He was deep in the secondary always in coverage. His tackles were dropping for that reason and that reason alone. This year his tackles are on pace to be normal.