Roy Williams gets burned for a bomb tally - Page 2

Roy_Williams318 · 09-11-2007, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TU

Dude, Roy Williams is a good player. But his specialty is against the run.

He's not exactly a stellar safety in pass coverage. Just accept that.

And by the way; Troy, TC and MS72 are ALL Cowboys fans (though Troy likes the Browns too), so you're not exactly talking to people biased against Dallas.

Who said he was?

One thing i've learned is Dallas fans hate on their own players more than other people hate on em.

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

Madden? We're talking a problem that's been going on since 2005. I noted a number of times last year that Williams was getting burned a lot on deep routes. The Saints had a lot of fun throwing right at Williams.

I guess it didn't land. Anyways, the Saints enjoyed destroying the WHOLE defense last year.

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I am. But Roy is the leader, the veteran, the highest paid, and the star. I hold him to a higher standard. I have greater expectations. Getting burned for a long TD at least once a game isn't acceptable to me. When it happens once, it is a mistake. When it happens repeatedly, it's a problem.

He can't make plays..every play. Like I said...if there's no jam...he's gonna have a hard time running with fast WRs already at full speed. Is he good in coverage? No....is he bad fo a SS? No.

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Originally Posted by TU

Well, my post was really meant for the other guy; what I meant was that he shouldn't overrate Williams just because he's a huge fan, and that he needs to see his faults, the main one of which is pass coverage.

Where in the blue hell did I overrate him? I don't recall talking about how good he is. I think we should stop assuming things.....

Troy McClure · 09-11-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gzus

Don't we all just love a "fan" who picks apart a player on his own team? I know I do

. Come on man, just support your team despite the deficiencies, as a Cowboys fan you know what ur getting from Roy.

So, you just expect us all to post positive stuff and ignore the problems. Break out your pom poms. Go team!

Transplanted Caper · 09-11-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gzus

This is not meant in any ill will, and I warn you this may seem a bit harsh:

Don't we all just love a "fan" who picks apart a player on his own team? I know I do

. Come on man, just support your team despite the deficiencies, as a Cowboys fan you know what ur getting from Roy. You can't sit here an whine that he gives up big passing plays, because you know this is what he does and you whining doesn't fix that. You as a fan can never fix it, but you can watch go "oh sh*t" every now and then, and then enjoy Romo burning the opposing defense. Seriously man just up-shut with the whining and just enjoy the ride, or are you one of those fans who likes to cover his buttocks with these early rants in order to say "see i told ya earlier, i wasn't fully on the band wagon." IN OR OUT choose; if you stay just keep your mouth shut, else get off and stay off because you can't have one foot in and one foot out.

It's a fair critique of a flawed player. It's what we as fans do, dissect the games and the players and determine who played well and who didn't, when it comes to Williams the fact he's weak in coverage is a fair observation and one that'll always be brought up when discussing his merits as a player.

MS72 · 09-11-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Transplanted Caper

It's a fair critique of a flawed player. It's what we as fans do, dissect the games and the players and determine who played well and who didn't, when it comes to Williams the fact he's weak in coverage is a fair observation and one that'll always be brought up when discussing his merits as a player.

To add:

We are supporting our team even more critiquing our team. We want the team to improve, so we point out things that could be improved.

Rick Astley · 09-11-2007, 10:40 AM

Just in general:

What in the blue hell makes players on your team immune to criticism? If you REALLY care about your team, you want your players to be as good as possible. Pointing out and correcting their faults is all part of that.

Ignoring the faults of your own players is very homer-ish, IMO.

Gzus · 09-11-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

So, you just expect us all to post positive stuff and ignore the problems. Break out your pom poms. Go team!

I have a beautiful set of pom poms you would like them.

NFL_WIZARD · 09-11-2007, 12:35 PM

hilarious thread, I'm checking in every week

Roy_Williams318 · 09-11-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoBahamutZero

Just in general:

What in the blue hell makes players on your team immune to criticism? If you REALLY care about your team, you want your players to be as good as possible. Pointing out and correcting their faults is all part of that.

Ignoring the faults of your own players is very homer-ish, IMO.

Again who said that? Do you expect everyone to take the smash em crash em approach? If you know anything about football...expecting your players to be the best they can every play is slightly unrealistic. Yeah...If you're a coach of the team.

Pointing them out every game isn't that good of a fan IMO.

MS72 · 09-11-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_Williams318

Again who said that? Do you expect everyone to take the smash em crash em approach? If you know anything about football...expecting your players to be the best they can every play is slightly unrealistic. Yeah...If you're a coach of the team.

Pointing them out every game isn't that good of a fan IMO.

Well, expecting your SS to know how to pass cover must be unrealistic too, huh?

Roy_Williams318 · 09-11-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MS72

Well, expecting your SS to know how to pass cover must be unrealistic too, huh?

He does "know" how....he's just not exactly good at it. Doesn't judge the ball in the air very well and that's the only thing hurting him.

Irish · 09-11-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_Williams318

He does "know" how....he's just not exactly good at it. Doesn't judge the ball in the air very well and that's the only thing hurting him.

As a non-biased party in this, I expect safety's to be able to judge a pass. They are the safety's and they usually play deep for a reason, if a coverage is either missed by a CB or a WR comes through their zone, they should be able to cover it. If it's good plays on the WR part, that's fine. If the Safety messes up and blows the coverage by a long shot on a ball he should have gotten, that's horrible. Roy Williams is a good Safety, needs to work on coverage though.

Roy_Williams318 · 09-11-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed Kills

As a non-biased party in this, I expect safety's to be able to judge a pass. They are the safety's and they usually play deep for a reason, if a coverage is either missed by a CB or a WR comes through their zone, they should be able to cover it. If it's good plays on the WR part, that's fine. If the Safety messes up and blows the coverage by a long shot on a ball he should have gotten, that's horrible. Roy Williams is a good Safety, needs to work on coverage though.

I think a FS is supposed to be able to do it better. Regardless yes a SS safety should be decent against the pass....and I think Williams is decent...not good...and not bad.

Gzus · 09-11-2007, 07:34 PM

Eh I'm a homer when it comes to by Boys, I don't care

. I got my pom-poms out and ready, as well as my popcorn

. I take the good with the bad.

Troy McClure · 09-12-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_Williams318

I think a FS is supposed to be able to do it better. Regardless yes a SS safety should be decent against the pass....and I think Williams is decent...not good...and not bad.

Here's a good idea from Bob Sturm: take Roy Williams off the field in obvious passing downs like 3rd and long. He put this to some of his NFL scout contacts, and they agreed that the Cowboys should do this to improve their downfield pass coverage.

BobSturmShow: Roy, Get Off the Field

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Originally Posted by Sturm

What really bothers me is that he appears to now be target #1 of the opposing QB. This is not created by fans, or message boards, or talk shows. If it was, then the game plans of teams across this league would not be devising plans to expose him. And I find it quite obvious in the last several games, Cowboys opponents are looking for Roy, and then throwing it right at him to pick on the Cowboys most obvious weakness.
. . . .
So, when I am in Nickel, I want my 3 best CBs, along with Ken Hamlin and Patrick Watkins both covering half of the field deep.

And I want Roy Williams when he can not be exposed anymore…On the sideline.

Rick Astley · 09-12-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy_Williams318

Again who said that? Do you expect everyone to take the smash em crash em approach? If you know anything about football...expecting your players to be the best they can every play is slightly unrealistic. Yeah...If you're a coach of the team.

Pointing them out every game isn't that good of a fan IMO.

"If you know anything about football..."

Awfully cocky of you, rookie. You can stop insulting me...now.

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