NFC East "Pro-Bowl" Team

steve09ru · 06-12-2007, 03:23 AM

always thought about if they did division vs. division playoff type pro-bowl thing...here is my projected...opinions on change/update

Figure when healthy

QB
McNabb
Romo

RB
Portis
Westbrook

FB
Sellers (not enough credit...amazing blocker)
Finn

TE
Shockey
Cooley

WR
T.O.
Burress
Moss
Glenn/Toomer

Oline
a lot of good ones...help fill in

Dline
Strahan
Kearse
Uminiyora (sp)
Daniels (when healthy)
others??

Linebackers
too many good ones but i would go...
Washington
Pierce/Fletcher middle
Ware

CB
Brown
Sheppard
Newman
Springs (when healthy)

Safety
Dawkins/Taylor (interesting with Taylor at SS and Dawkins Ball Hawking)
Hamlin

Kicker
Akers

Punter
McBriar

Fill in what you think

JCD · 06-12-2007, 06:41 AM

Don't be so quick to hand the NFCE the crown:

East
QB-McNabb
RB-Portis
FB/TE-Cooley
WR-Owens
WR-Burress
TE-Shockey
LT-Samuels
LG-Davis
C-Gurode
RG-Andrews
RT-Jansen

LDE-Strahan
NT-Ferguson
UT-Robbins
RDE-Umeniyora
SAM-Pierce
MLB-Fletcher
WILL-Spikes
SS-Williams
FS-Dawkins
CB-Newman
CB-Springs

K-Akers
P-McBriar
KR-Randel-El

For an All-Star team, the DTs blow. Not so sure on the 2nd CB position either.

North
QB-Favre
RB-Peterson (call me a homer, but Benson doesn't do much for me)
FB-Richardson
WR-Driver
WR-Williams
TE-Olson
LT-Clifton
LG-Hutchinson
C-Kreutz
RG-Garza
RT-Tauscher

LDE-Kampmann
NT-Rogers
UT-K.Williams
RDE-Ugunleye
SAM-Hawk
MLB-Urlacher
WILL-Briggs
SS-Sharper
FS-Brown
CB-Winfield
CB-Woodson

K-Longwell
P-Maynard
KR-Hester

Favre is an obvious weak link. RG is bad too. No stand-outs are RB to pick from either. Defense looks spectacular though. Only iffy spot is Sharper.

South
QB-Brees
RB-McAllister
FB/TE-Karney
WR-Smith
WR-Colston
TE-Crumpler
LT-Brown
LG-Wahle
C-McClure
RG-Forney
RT-Gross

LDE-Peppers
NT-Jenkins
UT-Coleman
RDE-Smith
SAM-Davis
MLB-Brooking
WILL-Brooks
SS-Milloy
FS-Minter
CB-Barber
CB-Hall

K-Mare
P-Koenen
KR-Lewis

Other than Hall, secondary looks past their due date. Defense rocks otherwise. Special teams blow. Offense is essentially the Saints show. Thin at WR.

West
QB-Bulger (until he gets hurt...)
RB-Jackson
FB/TE-Strong
WR-Holt
WR-Fitzgerald
TE-Davis
LT-Jones
LG-Allen
C-Spencer
RG-Heitmann
RT-Pace (I know he is a LT, but too good t oleave off)

LDE-Kerney
NT-Dockett (more an UT, but no good NTs in this division)
UT-Carriker
RDE-Little
SAM-Dansby
MLB-Willi
WILL-Peterson
SS-Wilson
FS-Grant
CB-Clements
CB-Trufant

K-Brown
P- Lee
KR- Hall

This is my pick for the NFC winner. Offense beats all, not one position isn't filled with a stand-out player (OK, guard). Defense rocks everywhere but tackle.

[AFC]

[East]
QB-Brady
RB-Jones
FB/TE-Evans
WR-Moss
WR-Coles
TE-Watson
LT-Light
LG-Dockery
C-Mangold
RG-Mankins
RT-Carey

LDE-Schobel
NT-Wilfolk
UT-Seymour
RDE-Taylor
SAM-A.Thomas
MLB-Z.Thomas
WILL-Vilma (I know he is a MLB, but too good to keep off the field)
SS-Rhodes
FS-Whitner
CB-Samuel
CB-McGee

K-Nugent
P-Mooreman
KR-Miller

For an all-star team, the O-line is rather weak. Defense looked stacked until it got to the secondary.

North
QB-Palmer
RB-Parker
FB/TE-Winslow
WR-Johnson
WR-Ward
TE-Heap
LT-Ogden
LG-Faneca
C-Bentley (assuming he is heathy, the other starters are suspect)
RG-Steinbach
RT-Anderson

LDE-Smith
NT-Hampton
UT-Ngata
RDE-Suggs
SAM-Scott
MLB-Lewis
WILL-Wimbley
SS-Polomalu
FS-Reed
CB-McAllister
CB-O'Neal

K-Graham
P-Zastudil
KR-Figurs?

We have our winner on offense. Holy wow. Defense isn't far behind. 2nd CB spot is a question mark as are the special teams.

South
QB-Manning
RB-Jones-Drew
FB/TE-Clark
WR-Harrison
WR-Johnson
TE-Owens
LT-Glenn
LT-Manuwai
C-Saturday
RG-Olson
RT-Roos (just want to get him out there)

LDE-VanDenBosch
NT-Stroud
UT-Henderson
RDE-Freeney
SAM-Ryan
MLB-Thorton
WILL-Bullock
SS-Darius
FS-Sanders
CB-Robinson
CB-Mathis

K-Vinatieri
P-Smith
KR-Drew-Jones

Suspect at guard. Everywhere else is tough to beat.

West
QB-Rivers
RB-Tomlinson
FB-Neal
WR-Walker
WR-Porter
TE-Gates
LT-McNeill
LG-Dielman
C-Nalen
RG-Waters
RT-Olivea

LDE-Burgess
NT-Williams
UT-Castillo
RDE-Allen
SAM-Merriman
MLB-Williams
WLB-Edwards
SS-Lynch
FS-Huff (going for potential; weak position)
CB-Bailey
CB-Asomugha

K-Elam
P-Lechler
KR-Sproles (I just like the guy)

This ends up being the Charger show on offense. Defense has more than their share as well. O-Line is so-so for an all-star crew.

BigdaddyQH · 06-12-2007, 10:28 AM

I see way too many "if's" on these teams. Injuries would eliminate a lot of these players. Just look at the NFC East's QB's. You have the oft injured McNabb and the unproven Romo. Now you may argue that he is porven, but I totally disagree. Players do not play part of 1 season and get to be considered proven.

One of you has an injury prone RB who has no taken a snap in a NFL game starting for one of your teams. There are other spots filled in with players who you say are not very good. If that is the case, why pick them? Sorry guys, I can't buy this at all.

JCD · 06-12-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH

I see way too many "if's" on these teams. Injuries would eliminate a lot of these players. Just look at the NFC East's QB's. You have the oft injured McNabb and the unproven Romo. Now you may argue that he is porven, but I totally disagree. Players do not play part of 1 season and get to be considered proven.

One of you has an injury prone RB who has no taken a snap in a NFL game starting for one of your teams. There are other spots filled in with players who you say are not very good. If that is the case, why pick them? Sorry guys, I can't buy this at all.

1) "Ifs" are irrelevent. You only have 4 teams to pick from, making some ifs unavoidable.

2) If you are trying to build a case against McNabb and/or Romo being the best in the NFC East, please explain why Campbell and/or Manning are better.

3) Peterson. Who would be better? The injured Kevin Jones, the injury-prone Bell or the older but also unproven Morency or Benson? Peterson has a lot of talent and the NFC North is quite weak at RB.

4) Yes, some spots are filled by players who are not that good. What is your point? This whole excercise was to build the best team from each division, some teams are weak at various positions.

5) If you are not buying it, then please enlighten us with your version. For a guy that likes to frequently criticize others, you contribute exceedingly little content.

hit_'em88 · 06-12-2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCD

5) If you are not buying it, please enlighten us with your version. For a guy that likes to frequently criticize others, you contribute exceedingly little.

BURN!!! hahaha
anyway JCD i love your NFC south list but why do you have Karney as FB/TE? i've never seen him play TE do you think he could?

and steve thats a good list. i'm not in love with romo him and eli could be tied for the 2nd best QBs in the East but McNabb is very easily the best

JCD · 06-12-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hit_'em88

BURN!!! hahaha
anyway JCD i love your NFC south list but why do you have Karney as FB/TE? i've never seen him play TE do you think he could?

and steve thats a good list. i'm not in love with romo him and eli could be tied for the 2nd best QBs in the East but McNabb is very easily the best

I put FB/TE because FBs are a dying breed. Lots of teams use H-backs or 2-TE sets without a FB on the roster. Meant some divisions had only 1 or 2 FBs to pick from.

Karney is a pure FB, I have never seen him flex out on to the line. I love guys like Karney, Kreider and Neal. No-nonse battering rams that help make their HBs look great. Problem is that all three are pretty limited as players. Can't sub in as a RB, can't line up at TE and many of them don't even play special teams anymore (I think Karney does though).

Teams can only afford to dress so many specialized players per game. That is why versatile players who can contribute in multiple areas are valuable (like the long snapper who can play TE). A lot of teams decide that a 1-dimensional FB is a luxary they can't afford.

As for Karney, I don't think he would make it as a TE. It is a matter of physics/geometry. He is on the short side, so doesn't have long arms. Teams could put a DE or LB on him wide. With him on the line, it is going to be hard for him to get a good angle blocking on him. It would also negate one of his better attributes. Karney is great at exploding into his block. Give him two-three strides and he will blow open a hole. On the line, it is a lot more about brute strength, hand placement, leverage and footwork. You are working a few inches away from your target, so you don't get to build any momentum. Karney has the ideal make-up for a lead blocker. He runs low, has those quick, chobby steps and hits his opponent well. Why ruin a good thing? With Neal on his last legs (he is SLOW, IMO he really struggles downfield now) and Kreider getting on in years, Karney looks to be the best pure blocking FB in the league for a long time to come. Especially with very few others like him out there. Mughelli gets a lot of attention too, but I was never a big fan. I always thought he was inconsistent.

hit_'em88 · 06-12-2007, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCD

I put FB/TE because FBs are a dying breed. Lots of teams use H-backs or 2-TE sets without a FB on the roster. Meant some divisions had only 1 or 2 FBs to pick from.

Karney is a pure FB, I have never seen him flex out on to the line. I love guys like Karney, Kreider and Neal. No-nonse battering rams that help make their HBs look great. Problem is that all three are pretty limited as players. Can't sub in as a RB, can't line up at TE and many of them don't even play special teams anymore (I think Karney does though).

Teams can only afford to dress so many specialized players per game. That is why versatile players who can contribute in multiple areas are valuable (like the long snapper who can play TE). A lot of teams decide that a 1-dimensional FB is a luxary they can't afford.

As for Karney, I don't think he would make it as a TE. It is a matter of physics/geometry. He is on the short side, so doesn't have long arms. Teams could put a DE or LB on him wide. With him on the line, it is going to be hard for him to get a good angle blocking on him. It would also negate one of his better attributes. Karney is great at exploding into his block. Give him two-three strides and he will blow open a hole. On the line, it is a lot more about brute strength, hand placement, leverage and footwork. You are working a few inches away from your target, so you don't get to build any momentum. Karney has the ideal make-up for a lead blocker. He runs low, has those quick, chobby steps and hits his opponent well. Why ruin a good thing? With Neal on his last legs (he is SLOW, IMO he really struggles downfield now) and Kreider getting on in years, Karney looks to be the best pure blocking FB in the league for a long time to come. Especially with very few others like him out there. Mughelli gets a lot of attention too, but I was never a big fan. I always thought he was inconsistent.

yeah Karney is a great blocker. passes have to be right in his stomach for him to catch them though i haven't seen him catch too many passes where he had to stretch. i hope FBs last longer in the league its hard to run without a lead blocker and FBs are best at that

06-12-2007, 03:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
steve09ru Backup Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 93 vCash: 2000	NFC East "Pro-Bowl" Team always thought about if they did division vs. division playoff type pro-bowl thing...here is my projected...opinions on change/update Figure when healthy QB McNabb Romo RB Portis Westbrook FB Sellers (not enough credit...amazing blocker) Finn TE Shockey Cooley WR T.O. Burress Moss Glenn/Toomer Oline a lot of good ones...help fill in Dline Strahan Kearse Uminiyora (sp) Daniels (when healthy) others?? Linebackers too many good ones but i would go... Washington Pierce/Fletcher middle Ware CB Brown Sheppard Newman Springs (when healthy) Safety Dawkins/Taylor (interesting with Taylor at SS and Dawkins Ball Hawking) Hamlin Kicker Akers Punter McBriar Fill in what you think

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BigdaddyQH The Desert Fox Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 650 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Chicago Bears NCAA Team: USC Trojans	I see way too many "if's" on these teams. Injuries would eliminate a lot of these players. Just look at the NFC East's QB's. You have the oft injured McNabb and the unproven Romo. Now you may argue that he is porven, but I totally disagree. Players do not play part of 1 season and get to be considered proven. One of you has an injury prone RB who has no taken a snap in a NFL game starting for one of your teams. There are other spots filled in with players who you say are not very good. If that is the case, why pick them? Sorry guys, I can't buy this at all. __________________ Winning is the Only Accpetable Result

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JCD All-Pro Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 856 vCash: 2000	Don't be so quick to hand the NFCE the crown: East QB-McNabb RB-Portis FB/TE-Cooley WR-Owens WR-Burress TE-Shockey LT-Samuels LG-Davis C-Gurode RG-Andrews RT-Jansen LDE-Strahan NT-Ferguson UT-Robbins RDE-Umeniyora SAM-Pierce MLB-Fletcher WILL-Spikes SS-Williams FS-Dawkins CB-Newman CB-Springs K-Akers P-McBriar KR-Randel-El For an All-Star team, the DTs blow. Not so sure on the 2nd CB position either. North QB-Favre RB-Peterson (call me a homer, but Benson doesn't do much for me) FB-Richardson WR-Driver WR-Williams TE-Olson LT-Clifton LG-Hutchinson C-Kreutz RG-Garza RT-Tauscher LDE-Kampmann NT-Rogers UT-K.Williams RDE-Ugunleye SAM-Hawk MLB-Urlacher WILL-Briggs SS-Sharper FS-Brown CB-Winfield CB-Woodson K-Longwell P-Maynard KR-Hester Favre is an obvious weak link. RG is bad too. No stand-outs are RB to pick from either. Defense looks spectacular though. Only iffy spot is Sharper. South QB-Brees RB-McAllister FB/TE-Karney WR-Smith WR-Colston TE-Crumpler LT-Brown LG-Wahle C-McClure RG-Forney RT-Gross LDE-Peppers NT-Jenkins UT-Coleman RDE-Smith SAM-Davis MLB-Brooking WILL-Brooks SS-Milloy FS-Minter CB-Barber CB-Hall K-Mare P-Koenen KR-Lewis Other than Hall, secondary looks past their due date. Defense rocks otherwise. Special teams blow. Offense is essentially the Saints show. Thin at WR. West QB-Bulger (until he gets hurt...) RB-Jackson FB/TE-Strong WR-Holt WR-Fitzgerald TE-Davis LT-Jones LG-Allen C-Spencer RG-Heitmann RT-Pace (I know he is a LT, but too good t oleave off) LDE-Kerney NT-Dockett (more an UT, but no good NTs in this division) UT-Carriker RDE-Little SAM-Dansby MLB-Willi WILL-Peterson SS-Wilson FS-Grant CB-Clements CB-Trufant K-Brown P- Lee KR- Hall This is my pick for the NFC winner. Offense beats all, not one position isn't filled with a stand-out player (OK, guard). Defense rocks everywhere but tackle. [AFC] [East] QB-Brady RB-Jones FB/TE-Evans WR-Moss WR-Coles TE-Watson LT-Light LG-Dockery C-Mangold RG-Mankins RT-Carey LDE-Schobel NT-Wilfolk UT-Seymour RDE-Taylor SAM-A.Thomas MLB-Z.Thomas WILL-Vilma (I know he is a MLB, but too good to keep off the field) SS-Rhodes FS-Whitner CB-Samuel CB-McGee K-Nugent P-Mooreman KR-Miller For an all-star team, the O-line is rather weak. Defense looked stacked until it got to the secondary. North QB-Palmer RB-Parker FB/TE-Winslow WR-Johnson WR-Ward TE-Heap LT-Ogden LG-Faneca C-Bentley (assuming he is heathy, the other starters are suspect) RG-Steinbach RT-Anderson LDE-Smith NT-Hampton UT-Ngata RDE-Suggs SAM-Scott MLB-Lewis WILL-Wimbley SS-Polomalu FS-Reed CB-McAllister CB-O'Neal K-Graham P-Zastudil KR-Figurs? We have our winner on offense. Holy wow. Defense isn't far behind. 2nd CB spot is a question mark as are the special teams. South QB-Manning RB-Jones-Drew FB/TE-Clark WR-Harrison WR-Johnson TE-Owens LT-Glenn LT-Manuwai C-Saturday RG-Olson RT-Roos (just want to get him out there) LDE-VanDenBosch NT-Stroud UT-Henderson RDE-Freeney SAM-Ryan MLB-Thorton WILL-Bullock SS-Darius FS-Sanders CB-Robinson CB-Mathis K-Vinatieri P-Smith KR-Drew-Jones Suspect at guard. Everywhere else is tough to beat. West QB-Rivers RB-Tomlinson FB-Neal WR-Walker WR-Porter TE-Gates LT-McNeill LG-Dielman C-Nalen RG-Waters RT-Olivea LDE-Burgess NT-Williams UT-Castillo RDE-Allen SAM-Merriman MLB-Williams WLB-Edwards SS-Lynch FS-Huff (going for potential; weak position) CB-Bailey CB-Asomugha K-Elam P-Lechler KR-Sproles (I just like the guy) This ends up being the Charger show on offense. Defense has more than their share as well. O-Line is so-so for an all-star crew.