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to my Canadian buddy............. i figured about as much on the flag story. i knew it couldn't be close to the truth. thanks.
& for mr. Maxwell. ............... you hit this as close to home as it can be. it amazes me hearing for years how bill clinton was communist etc. propaganda from the rush limbacker republican party. & look at what this administration has done. kris kristofferson's new lp has a song called "in the news", one line of the song speaking of the iraq mess says, killing everything we're fighting for. he's speaking of, trying to have a democracy in iraq & those people having the same rights as we have, while at the same time "killing" our rights. all i heard for years was democrats in favor of gun control & for abortion. i heard this till i'm sick of hearing it. i'm a male. i promise i'll never have an abortion. i also promise not to tell a woman what she has to do or not do. that's between her & God. not me. i haven't seen an abortion law passed in the last 8 years nor did i in the 12 years of the reagan bush fiasco. i saw no laws to protect our right to bare arms.
actually i saw nothing but reverse robinhood crap. take from the poor & give to the rich.

my unanswered questions on this subject would be ................
why did mark david chapman fly from hawaii to mobile alabama on his way to new york to shoot john lennon? new york has gun control laws. then alabama had few. mobile is not a major terminal. kinda out of the way i think. but he still got a gun.

nugget maxwell

The Bush administration which no matter what he says, is backed by McCain... has ruined the United States constitution in every way. Yet everytime you look around republicans claim they are so patriotic... no they are not, having a country use fear to invade it's people's personal rights isn't AMERICAN.
I know people say I am crazy for saying this... but don't any of you think George Bush and his cronies had atleast something to do September 11th???
Seems funny how the terrorist attacks happened soo early into Bush's term of office, and everything he has passed since into law since then has seem to use 9/11 as it's basis?
The Patriot Act, Iraqi War, economic policies, and his granted re-election... all passed on the basis of using the fear of 9/11 to help Bush and the republicans get by.

So tomorrow after all the different topics and issues have been talked about over and over by the canidates, it all basically funnels into a simple choice...

DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN FEAR FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT, AND THE NEXT TACTIC THEY USE TO SCARE YOU?
or
DO YOU WANNA ACTUALLY HAVE YOUR FREEDOMS BACK, AND LIVE AS YOU WERE BEFORE REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER OFFICE?

hit_'em88

come on now nugget. if anything the 9/11 attacks have more to do with clinton than bush. the clinton administration new where bin laden was and even that an attack was imminent and did nothing. now i dont agree that bush should have attacked iraq. that was just cleaning up the mess his dad couldn't fix.

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Awesome and true.

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nugget maxwell

The Bush admin. knew where Bin Laden has been for years and never found him... because they didn't want to. They wanted to attack Iraq right when Bush took office and before the attacks, and got the reasoning with 9/11. Meanwhile there are clear ties between the Bin Laden family and the Bush's.

Thank god Obama is winning and Bush will be out in January....

Gzus

Well it's done, Obama is the 44th president of the United States. Btw ctd, I voted Democratic president in Texas one of the big Republican states and yet I didn't straight party vote, this was before I saw your post. Educated voters vote the issues and not the straight party.......

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LooseChange25

This wasn't even close. Obama won nearly 3 to 1 agains Mccain. This goes to show that the polls done by the "experts" don't mean anything, seeing as how they had Obama with a narrow lead.

I think Obama is the right choice. He's very intelligent, a well rounded speaker, and has a good Vice president in elect in Joe Biden.

Does anyone think that the economy in the last few months, along with selecting Sarah Palin as his vice, hurt Mccains campaign?

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Jay

Definitely, Bush did him no favors with the state of the economy and I don't think people could fathom Palin as VP. In general McCain just ran a sloppy campaign.

Gzus

Palin only pleased and attracted the far right which were already going to vote for McCain and alienated any on the liberal republicans and moderates. It was a bad choice and hurt his ticket. The economy really turned things Obama's way and it's time for change.

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Max ............ I for one do agree with you. i'll never be convinced there wasn't something that went on. strange neil bush was head of security at the twin towers on 9/11. you know , the openly drunk weirdo bush that we don't hear much about. the one that made millions during his daddy's administration on the S&L scandal. too many events surrond this family yet we keep hearing about the clinton's.
as for Clinton having anything to do with bin laden ............ i've already heard all the republican hype & propaganda that i care to hear on that subject. i don't buy into it & never will. it's funny how people want to "back up" to Clinton, but you never hear anything of where & how bin laden came to be from these people. so instead of blaming Clinton for getting us into 9/11, let me shed a little light on this for you. bin laden was nothing. a nobody. until ronald reagan & george h.w. bush sent him money, weapons, training by our military & God knows what else we didn't get to find out about. they not only created the problem they were the ones that turned bin laden against the U.S. & made him our worst enemy. so i don't give a damn if clinton did or didn't whatever. take it back to the original problem & give them the blame. as it should be.

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wanna see something strange? watch the movie "a long kiss goodnight". filmed in 1996. it refers to the car bomb at the twin towers under clinton. then it says ..............."next time we'll do it right. we'll kill 3 or 4 thousand & blame it on the arabs". check out the details. & like i said. it was filmed in 1996. pay attention to the part where it says "using airplanes".
i wonder how mad bin laden was when george w. bush defaulted on the multi- million loan he got from the bin laden family? i wonder why the ONLY airplane that was in the air after the towers were hit was carrying the bin laden family out of this country? i wonder why ronald reagan & george h. w. bush left bin laden in control of all the weapons they gave to him. & how much money they gave to bin laden to buy more weapons. i wonder how many of our 18 yr old kids were killed in iraq with U.S. weapons that were supplied by reagan bush?

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Gzus .............. this will suit me just fine if i can get one thing out of it. that i never have to hear the words "terrorism"& "liberal" again as long as i live. this won't happen. i already know. the good thing that will happen again is, we'll get to hear Rush limbacker talking his **** again. how it's all the democrats fault. drug dealers & users should be in jail. except for himself. in listening to one of his great followers telling how the democrats are behind all evil, i said that's right. that damn Clinton got us into all of it. he got us in the war of 1812. the idiot replied by agreeing with me. until i told him the war of 1812 was in 1812 & Clinton wasn't alive!!!!!!!!!! much less president. but if rush says it ..... hell it has to be right. the democrats are behind all evil. they support gay rights. then limbacker goes off on a "guys weekend" & takes along viagra? uh. why? could it be a fudge packers weekend?
anyway ........... i've said enough sarcasm for one day.

nugget maxwell

It's not just that, when people hear all these crazy sounding things that actually happen, they usually think "no way that could have never happened." Meanwhile George Bush isn't even the first in his family to buddy around with terrorist or the ideals of what terrorism and fear can achive in politics.
It is a proven fact that Prescott Bush (G. H. Bush's father, and G.W. Bush's grandfather) was in connection of a group of lasting wealthy partners still left over from the great depression that formed an attempt to overthrow President Roosevelt in 1933 and form a socialist/fascist governement in the United States!
So to think President Clinton was the main reason 9/11 happened is completely out there. The reason 9/11 happened when it did was because they knew they could get away with it on the Bush admin. term of office. Clinton had on attack of a naval sub from Bin Laden an went after him, just never had enough intelligence from the military or time to catch him. George Bush on the other hand, knew all about Bin Laden and his attempts, knew more about how to hunt him down in Pakistan, and has had 8 years time since the attacks... and has done about as much as Clinton did in a year.
The reason Bin Laden is alive is because Bush never really cared to catch him, he switched focus to a wasteful war in Iraq.
We have the most intelligent C.I.A which could attempt the Bay of Pigs invasion in communist Cuba, yet they cannot find Bin Laden in one tiny section of mountains in Pakistan?

So you tell me who is more to blame...

Canadian Speed

All of this won't matter in about six months or so... It's gonna be Kennedy all over again and the american people will give up more of their freedoms and live in deeper fear, just to make the bad people leave them alone...

Durring his campaing Obama has had several threats and even attempts on his life...

A link of interest...

YouTube - Eddie Murphy - First Black President

He didn't win Texas (or anywhere else in the South save for New Mex) and that should scare the hell out of his admin, familly, and voters...

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nugget maxwell

Yeah but many president's have had threats, probably even Bush, I think if it could happen it would have already... either way we should just talk about the new president elect and what he will do to have this nation that a total U turn in the right direction.