Which offense is really best?

[AMOOffense]

We all know that the fad right now is the Spread-Option, but which offense really gets it done. Just look at the last few National Title winners, and the competitors in those games.

LSU - Pro-style with mixes of the spread
OSU- Same as above
Florida - Hybrid spread
Texas - Hybrid spread (what else would you use with VY taking the snap)
USC - Pro-style passing attack, or balanced run, depending on personnel

If you look through, you see a lot of pass-based offenses that take pressure off by using the run (ie, pass sets up run). Obviously defense plays a HUGE role in these teams, but that seems to be a given these days. (No team with a shoddy defense makes it into contention anyway.)

So in your opinion, what is the most productive offense? (I'm working on a new one of my own, even if I can't really try it out to see..)

[BuckthemWooserines]

All i know is that in my opinion USC has the best O in the country...

[Rocky Top]

Notre Dame - QB gets rushed out of bounds, then offsides is called when play is over.

[Goose]

Originally Posted by AMOOffense

We all know that the fad right now is the Spread-Option, but which offense really gets it done. Just look at the last few National Title winners, and the competitors in those games.

LSU - Pro-style with mixes of the spread
OSU- Same as above
Florida - Hybrid spread
Texas - Hybrid spread (what else would you use with VY taking the snap)
USC - Pro-style passing attack, or balanced run, depending on personnel

If you look through, you see a lot of pass-based offenses that take pressure off by using the run (ie, pass sets up run). Obviously defense plays a HUGE role in these teams, but that seems to be a given these days. (No team with a shoddy defense makes it into contention anyway.)

So in your opinion, what is the most productive offense? (I'm working on a new one of my own, even if I can't really try it out to see..)

If you're asking which style is the best, it's impossible to say it depends on the players more than everything. See UT before and after VY. If you're asking which team is the best in the country...

LSU doesn't have a QB, so I can't put them up there.
OSU with Wells is pretty stout but not even close to the best O in the country
Florida is probably 2nd on this list
Texas... like I said post VY not even close
USC hands down the best going off of week 1

[AMOOffense]

I do agree. USC was brilliant coming off week 1. I'm rather disappointed with WVU after this weekend, and OSU couldn't seem to get anything going without Wells. In my opinion, it's a combination of players, confidence in them, and the scheme built around them that makes a good offense.

SC looked good because Carroll trusts his QB to make the necessary plays, and Pete Carroll has a form of RB-kleptomania. As is normally the case for the King of LA, USC has a committee of running backs, which help the passing game in their own way. We all know that establishing the run makes for a dangerous play-action pass series.

Just look at how several programs have adapted over the years.

Tennessee played West Coast style last year, because they had a QB who could do it. Now they're blasting people with Arian Foster, because he can get it done too. (most of the time.)

Ohio State played mostly spread when Troy Smith was there. Now they're a pro-style, but they're bringing in elements of the spread to let Pryor play with.

Texas was probably the best Spread team in recent memory with VY at the helm, but after he left, they've struggled to find an identity. McCoy is a great balanced QB, but he's not the best for a spread system.

Auburn has a tradition of being a battering-ram on offense. The tradition hasn't really changed... it's just being done from the Spread now.

In my opinion, nearly every school in major college football will be in some form of the spread before very long. It's not that the spread is really that different from offenses we've seen before. It's just a lot more exciting to see receivers making plays in space. Given enough time, the spread will become the standard, and coaches will be working on a new "gimmick" offense.

[Morbid Intentions]

Originally Posted by AMOOffense

I do agree. USC was brilliant coming off week 1. I'm rather disappointed with WVU after this weekend, and OSU couldn't seem to get anything going without Wells. In my opinion, it's a combination of players, confidence in them, and the scheme built around them that makes a good offense.

SC looked good because Carroll trusts his QB to make the necessary plays, and Pete Carroll has a form of RB-kleptomania. As is normally the case for the King of LA, USC has a committee of running backs, which help the passing game in their own way. We all know that establishing the run makes for a dangerous play-action pass series.

Just look at how several programs have adapted over the years.

Tennessee played West Coast style last year, because they had a QB who could do it. Now they're blasting people with Arian Foster, because he can get it done too. (most of the time.)

Ohio State played mostly spread when Troy Smith was there. Now they're a pro-style, but they're bringing in elements of the spread to let Pryor play with.

Texas was probably the best Spread team in recent memory with VY at the helm, but after he left, they've struggled to find an identity. McCoy is a great balanced QB, but he's not the best for a spread system.

Auburn has a tradition of being a battering-ram on offense. The tradition hasn't really changed... it's just being done from the Spread now.

In my opinion, nearly every school in major college football will be in some form of the spread before very long. It's not that the spread is really that different from offenses we've seen before. It's just a lot more exciting to see receivers making plays in space. Given enough time, the spread will become the standard, and coaches will be working on a new "gimmick" offense.

^^
Great post. I think USC has the best offense because they have good play makers but the defense doesn't really know who to key on. 7 players scored on Virginia. From their standard pro set, USC ran an inside screen, quick slant, deep pass and iso run up the middle and either got huge yardage or scored touchdowns.

What is probably the most important thing is that USC doesn't really have a down preference for any of those calls. As a defense, you don't' know whether to stack the box or sell out for the deep pass...

[SEC]

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

^^
Great post. I think USC has the best offense because they have good play makers but the defense doesn't really know who to key on. 7 players scored on Virginia. From their standard pro set, USC ran an inside screen, quick slant, deep pass and iso run up the middle and either got huge yardage or scored touchdowns.

What is probably the most important thing is that USC doesn't really have a down preference for any of those calls. As a defense, you don't' know whether to stack the box or sell out for the deep pass...

what i think is he's a USC fan & agrees with this post. if i were a usc fan i would too. most teams playing virginia came out pretty good too. most teams run a quick slant. a deep pass & an inside screen.

[Morbid Intentions]

Originally Posted by SEC

what i think is he's a USC fan & agrees with this post. if i were a usc fan i would too. most teams playing virginia came out pretty good too. most teams run a quick slant. a deep pass & an inside screen.

I think you need to find a value-added way to increase your post count.

[AMOOffense]

I'm not trying to be biased in my opinions. In reality, Wake Forest has my favorite Spread variant, and the only pro-style offense I ever get to watch is my little NAIA college here. I'm actually a fan of the spread, but I'm not a huge fan of the way it's being run right now. I think it has a lot more potential than the conservative playcallers are giving it. Whatever though, people will think what they want to anyway.

[BuckthemWooserines]

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

I think you need to find a value-added way to increase your post count.

dude i have problems with this guy to hes never happy with anybody but himself
he can never give cred to anybody, im a true buckeye fan in every sense of the word but even i know usc has the best O and deservedly is #1, but were still gona beatcha!!!

[Morbid Intentions]

Originally Posted by BuckthemWooserines

dude i have problems with this guy to hes never happy with anybody but himself
he can never give cred to anybody, im a true buckeye fan in every sense of the word but even i know usc has the best O and deservedly is #1, but were still gona beatcha!!!

Not this year, or the next. USC is one year away from having their best offense since the Leinart and Bush were there. But make no mistake about it, OSU deserves respect and they will be a tough team to beat Saturday

[SEC]

Originally Posted by AMOOffense

I'm not trying to be biased in my opinions. In reality, Wake Forest has my favorite Spread variant, and the only pro-style offense I ever get to watch is my little NAIA college here. I'm actually a fan of the spread, but I'm not a huge fan of the way it's being run right now. I think it has a lot more potential than the conservative playcallers are giving it. Whatever though, people will think what they want to anyway.

you're well on the right track. players , injuries etc....... everything has to do with what you can do at that time. even a lineman can cause a lot of changes in what a coach wants to call & can't. that can change the game plan & upset what you intend to do.

[K2 4MVP22]

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions

Not this year, or the next. USC is one year away from having their best offense since the Leinart and Bush were there. But make no mistake about it, OSU deserves respect and they will be a tough team to beat Saturday

How could it even be compared with the Lienart/Bush era when there are 6 running backs in the rotation, and their aren't recievers like Jarrett or Mike Williams in the WR core?

[Daddy Duck]

I'm biased a bit as an Oregon fan. We run the spread option just about as effeciently as it's ever been ran at the college level. I do believe that the spread and it's many variations is the best offense n the NCAA right now.

From Wikipedia on the spread...

“Spread offense” may also refer to the Four corners offense developed by Dean Smith.
The New England Patriots playing a spread offense against the Philadelphia Eagles in 2007


The Spread Offense is an offensive American football scheme that is used at every level of the game including the NFL, CFL, NCAA, NAIA, and high schools across America. The spread offense begins with a no-huddle approach with the quarterback in the shotgun formation much of the time. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets, as well as wide splits between the offensive linemen. This opens up multiple vertical gaps for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field to cover everyone.
There are many forms of the spread system. One of the extremes is the pass-oriented version typified by Mike Leach's Texas Tech Red Raiders, Todd Dodge's North Texas Mean Green, Gary Pinkel's Missouri Tigers and Hal Mumme's New Mexico State Aggies. This version employs multiple spread sets and is heavily reliant on the quarterback and coaches being able to call the appropriate play at the line of scrimmage based on how the defense sets up.
The other extreme version is the Spread Option, used in 2007 by Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia and now Michigan, Chip Kelly at Oregon and Jerry Moore at Appalachian State. Despite the multi-receiver sets, the spread option is a run-first scheme which requires a quarterback that is comfortable carrying the ball, a mobile offensive line that can pull and trap effectively, and receivers that can hold their blocks. The essence of the spread option is misdirection. Effectively, this is the old triple option except that it utilizes spread sets. In particular, the quarterback must be able to read the defensive end and determine whether he is collapsing down the line or playing upfield contain.
A third, rare version of the spread offense is the Pistol Offense which is used by Chris Ault's Nevada Wolf Pack and some high schools across the nation. The Pistol Offense focuses on using the run with various offensive players, and calls for the quarterback to line up about three yards behind the center and take a short shotgun snap at the start of each play.
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• <LI class=toclevel-1>1 History of the Spread Offense <LI class=toclevel-1>2 College Teams Using Spread Offense <LI class=toclevel-1>3 NFL Spread Offense <LI class=toclevel-1>4 Notes
• 5 External links

[edit] History of the Spread Offense

While Steve Nuss is commonly referred to as the father of the spread offense, Glenn Ellison is the real father.[1] His version is known as the Run & Shoot offense; however, the scheme (which was originally started as a run-first offense in 1958) has evolved over the past forty-five years into a much more complex scheme. Its first evolution came about in 1962 when Mouse Davis adapted his philosophy to Ellison's but created a more pass-first version. Today coaches like June Jones (SMU), Jerry Moore (Appalachian State), Rich Rodriguez (Michigan), and Mike Bellotti (Oregon) and most recently Urban Meyer (Florida) have taken the spread offense to a new level. High school coaches across the nation have adapted some version of this scheme with great success (most notably Todd Dodge, formerly of Southlake Carroll High School in North Texas—now with the North Texas Mean Green and Conrad Nix of two time defending state champion Northside High School in Warner Robins, Georgia).

[edit] College Teams Using Spread Offense

• 1988 Hawaii
• 1988 Kentucky
• 1988 Washington State
• 1989 Hawaii
• 1989 Miami
• 1990 Hawaii
• 1990 Holy Cross
• 1990 Northern Illinois
• 1991 Hawaii
• 1991 Miami
• 1991 Oregon State
• 1991 Washington
• 1992 California-Davis
• 1992 Hawaii
• 1992 Miami
• 1992 Oregon State
• 1992 Texas
• 1993 California-Davis
• 1993 Oregon State
• 1993 Wyoming
• 1994 Utah
• 1995 Air Force
• 1995 Army
• 1995 Navy
• 1996 Air Force
• 1996 Navy
• 1996 Rice
• 1997 Air Force
• 1997 Georgia Southern
• 1997 Navy
• 1997 Rice
• 1997 Southern Utah
• 1998 Georgia Southern
• 1998 Kansas State
• 1998 Navy
• 1998 Rice
• 1998 Southern Utah
• 1999 Georgia Southern
• 1999 Georgia Tech
• 1999 Navy
• 1999 Rice
• 1999 Virginia Military Institute
• 2000 Georgia Southern
• 2000 Georgia Tech
• 2000 Northwestern
• 2000 Oklahoma
• 2000 Rice
• 2000 Saint Mary's
• 2000 Texas Tech
• 2001 Bowling Green
• 2001 Georgia Southern
• 2001 Rice
• 2001 Southern Utah
• 2001 Texas Tech
• 2001 Toledo
• 2002 Bowling Green
• 2002 Florida
• 2002 Georgia Southern
• 2002 Texas Tech
• 2002 West Virginia
• 2003 Georgia Southern
• 2003 Texas Tech
• 2003 Utah
• 2003 West Virginia
• 2004 Georgia Southern
• 2004 Texas Tech
• 2004 Utah
• 2004 West Virginia
• 2005 Appalachian State
• 2005 Florida
• 2005 Florida State
• 2005 Georgia Southern
• 2005 New Hampshire
• 2005 The Citadel
• 2005 Texas Tech
• 2005 Washington
• 2005 West Virginia
• 2005 Wofford
• 2006 Appalachian State
• 2006 Florida
• 2006 Georgia Southern
• 2006 New Hampshire
• 2006 Southern Methodist
• 2006 Missouri
• 2006 The Citadel
• 2006 Texas State
• 2006 Texas Tech
• 2006 Washington
• 2006 West Virginia
• 2007 Ohio State
• 2007 Appalachian State
• 2007 Arizona
• 2007 Florida
• 2007 Illinois
• 2007 Kansas
• 2007 Missouri
• 2007 New Hampshire
• 2007 Oregon
• 2007 Texas Tech
• 2007 Washington
• 2007 West Virginia
• 2008 Arizona
• 2008 Florida
• 2008 Michigan
• 2008 Kansas
• 2008 Missouri
• 2008 Texas Tech
• 2008 Auburn
• 2008 Kansas State
• 2008 University of Southern Mississippi
• 2008 West Virginia

For comparison look at the top twenty teams in yardage through 2 games....

01. Oregon (Spread)
02. Tulsa (spread)
03. Missouri (spread)
04.Nevada (spread)
05.Houston (spread)
06.Georgia
07.Arkansas State
08.Oklahoma (spread)
09.Oklahoma State
10.Illinois (spread)
11.Texas Tech (spread)
12.Penn State
13.Brigham Young (spread)
14.South Florida (spread)
15.Navy (spread)
16.Eastern Michigan
17.Memphis
18.Ball State
19.Arizona (spread)
20.California

[Eksynyt]

Yep, the Ducks have the #1 offense through the first 2 weeks. We'll see if Purdue has an answer for it.