Bacis Question

phil · 08-13-2006, 11:43 PM

Hi,

I have this basic question and I've been looking for an answer for quite a while... maybe... well surely you guys will provide me the answer...

What's the dirrefence between a Division I-A, Division I-AA, Division II and Division III team? Is it the strength? (probably not since Army, Buffalo and Temple suck and they would have to be Division I-AA and some like Mount Union won a few Div III titles and never got up)

thanks for the answer

PredsFan77 · 08-14-2006, 12:09 AM

Basic Answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

inSTAALed · 08-14-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PredsFan77

Basic Answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

He hit the nail on the head.

Smaller school = lower Division

NH Patsfan · 08-14-2006, 10:02 AM

I think it's a combination of size, money and strength. I know that the smaller state school's in NH are Div III, but I believe if UNH keeps going in the direction they're going they could eventually move up. They have the size and they're working on the strength. With strength comes $$$. It's probaly more difficult to change divisions then it is to change class. (Div II-Div I compared to Div I AA- Div I) I know on EA's NCAA Football you can chose Div I AA teams

triggrman · 08-14-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by inSTAALed

He hit the nail on the head.

Smaller school = lower Division

Not exactly, Notre Dame is a small private school, less than 10k. Vanderbilt is the same way, although, their football isn't very good.

inSTAALed · 08-14-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by triggrman

Not exactly, Notre Dame is a small private school, less than 10k. Vanderbilt is the same way, although, their football isn't very good.

But Notre Dame has money

ColossalCanadian · 08-14-2006, 12:17 PM

i have another question ive always wondered aboot...how do they determine the "playoffs" in college fooball? like the who gets to play for the national championship and who gets to play for what bowl...etc?

GiantFisch · 08-14-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ColossalCanadian

i have another question ive always wondered aboot...how do they determine the "playoffs" in college fooball? like the who gets to play for the national championship and who gets to play for what bowl...etc?

There is a system for the Bowl Championship Series which ranks all the 120-something college teams playing Division I-A NCAA football on many factors such as strength of schedule, record, etc. Based on your ranking, you get slotted in any one of the top four bowls. The championship is the Rose Bowl, where #1 plays #2. A lot of people criticize this system, but I prefer an algorithim over a coaches poll of the top 25 teams.

Other bowls send out invitations to other teams be they in the top 25 or not. Which is how Rutgers got to go to the Insight Bowl and get thowmped by Arizona State's huge receivers.

Reaper45 · 08-14-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantFisch

A lot of people criticize this system, but I prefer an algorithim over a coaches poll of the top 25 teams.

And I'd prefer a tournament over both of them...

inSTAALed · 08-14-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper45

And I'd prefer a tournament over both of them...

I would too.

I think most people would... Something like March Madness except with less teams and in football.

tbell ncsu · 08-15-2006, 12:12 AM

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The championship is the Rose Bowl, where #1 plays #2.

the championship rotates around 4 bowls: orange, rose, sugar, fiesta

you can read up on the specifics and the formula here: http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=about

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Originally Posted by Reaper45

And I'd prefer a tournament over both of them...

the season is the tournament.

JoPa is King · 08-15-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tbell ncsu

the season is the tournament.

The problem though is that it is still a subjective thing, based on ranking polls. I'd love to see each conference's best team advance in a tournament style playoff. Just my opinion...

tbell ncsu · 08-16-2006, 03:29 AM

how do you propose the tournament teams be determined?

- do you send a single representative for each conference only, the conference champ?
- how many eligible conferences will there be, and what would be the criteria for a qualified conference?
- the championship tournament would take weeks. football isn't as forgiving on the body as basketball, so the teams would need ample recuperating times.
- with the extended seasons, you'd run into all kinds of logistical issues with players. for one thing, they're still students at colleges and universities. the kids need time to study, and attended classes. we all know football players miss enough class as it is. think of how the rest of the students, alums, and faculties would feel about athletes still receiving their degrees with minimal academic investment? secondly, where would the players stay around campus during the breaks? that wouldn't be a problem for the ones who have off-campus housing, but what about the ones who stay in dorms? are you going to pay staff extra money to stay over the breaks too? i'm sure not all schools could afford that.

Tigriz · 08-16-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by inSTAALed

But Notre Dame has money

I'll say. Enough money to keep an entire network in their back pocket. I for one am sick of Notre Dame getting an automatic bowl bid regardless of their talent. Now granted, last year, they had the talent and probably deserved the bowl, but for years previous they haven't done squat and end up with a bowl bid anyway, just because they bring the $$$$.

Reaper45 · 08-16-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigriz

I'll say. Enough money to keep an entire network in their back pocket. I for one am sick of Notre Dame getting an automatic bowl bid regardless of their talent. Now granted, last year, they had the talent and probably deserved the bowl, but for years previous they haven't done squat and end up with a bowl bid anyway, just because they bring the $$$$.

But think about it this way. Say you're the company sponsoring the Bowl Game. It's come down to having a team with a better record but is a small market school like say UTEP, or having a team with a worse record but will bring in the fans/ratings and the like, like Notre Dame would. You have a lot of money invested into this game and a small market school could hurt your profits. So who would you choose as a business man? Because ultimately, bowl games are business ventures.

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NH Patsfan Backup Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seacost, NH Posts: 57 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: New England Patriots NCAA Team: Notre Dame Fighting Irish	I think it's a combination of size, money and strength. I know that the smaller state school's in NH are Div III, but I believe if UNH keeps going in the direction they're going they could eventually move up. They have the size and they're working on the strength. With strength comes $$$. It's probaly more difficult to change divisions then it is to change class. (Div II-Div I compared to Div I AA- Div I) I know on EA's NCAA Football you can chose Div I AA teams

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tbell ncsu bringin' sexy back Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: raleigh & fayetteville, north carolina Age: 25 Posts: 197 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: San Diego Chargers NCAA Team: NC State Wolfpack	how do you propose the tournament teams be determined? - do you send a single representative for each conference only, the conference champ? - how many eligible conferences will there be, and what would be the criteria for a qualified conference? - the championship tournament would take weeks. football isn't as forgiving on the body as basketball, so the teams would need ample recuperating times. - with the extended seasons, you'd run into all kinds of logistical issues with players. for one thing, they're still students at colleges and universities. the kids need time to study, and attended classes. we all know football players miss enough class as it is. think of how the rest of the students, alums, and faculties would feel about athletes still receiving their degrees with minimal academic investment? secondly, where would the players stay around campus during the breaks? that wouldn't be a problem for the ones who have off-campus housing, but what about the ones who stay in dorms? are you going to pay staff extra money to stay over the breaks too? i'm sure not all schools could afford that.