Bacis Question

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Reaper45

And I'd prefer a tournament over both of them...

It sounds good, but I like the fact that each week IS the most important game of the year. A team can't have an off game. IMO a tournanment would lessen to some extent the importance of week 1 or 2. Schools may also position themselves knowing who they'd be playing in the tournament and matchups.

The system in place isn't perfect by far, but a tournament would create its' own problems imo.

[FourBear]

Thanks...this thread explains alot for me, as my college football team went Division I a few years ago. We do not have near as much money as other DivI teams. Unfortunately, they've played pretty crappily ever since they changed divisions. The last time they won any sort of championship was in Fall 2003, I think.

[tbell ncsu]

is your team uconn?

[Eksynyt]

At some point there is going to be a year in which every conference champion finishes undefeated. At that point there will be no way to properly determine the national championship so there will be little choice other than a playoff to determine the champion.

Another qualm I have is that the SEC, ACC, Big XII, Big East, MAC, and Conference USA have championship games between their top 2 teams from their respective divisions, but the Big Ten, Pac 10, WAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt do not have conference championships, this seems unfair. The logistics are that a conference must have 12 teams or more to have a championship game...why? The Pac 10 could easily create 2 divisions and have a championsip game.

The BCS is also very imperfect. I'll cite the year that Oregon finished #2 back in 2001. Oregon finished 11-1 and was # 4 in the BCS behind Miami (the clear #1), #2 Nebraska (who did not even win their division and was trounced by Colorado 62-28), and #3 Colorado (Whom Oregon soundly defeated 34-16 in the Fiesta Bowl) Miami routed Nebraska in the national championship and Oregon leapfrogged them. The only problem is...Oregon would have played far better against Miami so there was the argument that Oregon should have been the one to play Miami instead (even though Miami probly would have won anyway.)

Another thing I think should be changed is schools that play in one conference for football and a different one for basketball. For instance, Villanova is a great basketball school in the big east but they play football in the Atlantic 10 (which actually has like 14 or something crazy). The point is...even though they'd suck, they should still play at the 1-A level because then they could maybe get better one day and certainly have a bit more football recognition. Duke sucks at football but at least they play in the ACC. I feel that Notre Dame should join a conference too in football. I know many would disagree, but why does Notre Dame get to be an independent in football? They play basketball in the Big East and they are well respected there. The problem is, if Notre Dame wins 10 games, then they automatically get a BCS bid...even in a year where they were ranked #12 for instance.

Another problem with the system is teams are far more reluctant to schedule a huge game powerhouse vs. powerhouse because one loss and it might be over (Ohio State vs. Texas last year). I love the regular season Ohio State vs. Texas matchup. I want to see Virginia Tech vs. Michigan, Oregon vs. Miami, Florida State vs. USC. Those types of games won't be common in the regular season unless the system changes.

[inSTAALed]

Ohio State plays home and home against USC in 2009 and 2010.

In Ohio in 09, at USC in 10.

[fetznjtown]

From what I understand, attendance plays an important factor in determining division levels. I think a school needs to average at least 15,000 tickets per home game for any rolling two year period before they can be considered for Division IA football. I think that's why some schools like Nova play in different divisions for basketball and football. They can also lose their Division IA standing if attendance dips below that average for too many seasons.

[kelkat]

The attendance think is the best I've heard yet. I've looked on line. I've googled and I've asked.com and I still don't know exactly what divides the divisions.

If someone could explain it in idiot proof language, I would appreciate this.

[Football Boards]

Originally Posted by kelkat

The attendance think is the best I've heard yet. I've looked on line. I've googled and I've asked.com and I still don't know exactly what divides the divisions.

If someone could explain it in idiot proof language, I would appreciate this.

Here you go:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/div_criteria.html

Excerpt from above link:

Division I

Division I member institutions have to sponsor at least seven sports for men and seven for women (or six for men and eight for women) with two team sports for each gender.

Schools that have football are classified as Division I-A or I-AA. I-A football schools are usually fairly elaborate programs. Division I-A teams have to meet minimum attendance requirements (average 15,000 people in actual or paid attendance per home game), which must be met once in a rolling two-year period.

[Eksynyt]

Originally Posted by inSTAALed

Ohio State plays home and home against USC in 2009 and 2010.

In Ohio in 09, at USC in 10.

Good, I hope it doesn't change. Michigan was weak and opted to back out of playing Oregon home and home for a few years. I guess when we beat them it kinda made them a little mad.

[kelkat]

Bless you for this. It has been eating at me all day. I've come up with all sorts of theories but never thought of looking to the NCAA website to find out the truth.

What happens to a team if they don't have a football program?

[Eksynyt]

Originally Posted by kelkat

What happens to a team if they don't have a football program?

Gonzaga seems to do alright. I just get mad when some teams don't play at 1-A for both (Nova). They have to build up the fan base, and they could play in the Sun Belt conference at first anyway.

[kelkat]

That's why I was asking. I'm a South Alabama fan, and they have been unable to get a football program (rumor was that the other Alabama schools - who dominated the state board - didn't want it). They have plenty of other sports, just not football. I was wondering how it effected their division.

Thanks for all the help.

[Eksynyt]

Originally Posted by kelkat

That's why I was asking. I'm a South Alabama fan, and they have been unable to get a football program (rumor was that the other Alabama schools - who dominated the state board - didn't want it). They have plenty of other sports, just not football. I was wondering how it effected their division.

Thanks for all the help.

Jags are pretty good in Basketball, they won the Sun Belt last year. I want the Sun Belt to be the same in Basketball as Football. I can never figure out which teams are in which. Denver Pioneers don't have D-I football, Western Kentucky is in the OVC in I-AA. Then some teams that are in the Missouri Valley for Basketball are in the Gateway Football Conference in I-AA, it is so difficult to sort out. Now I-AA is going to put all of the Atlantic 10 teams from 1-AA into a newly formed CAA for I-AA yet the Atlantic 10 will remain a Basketball conference even though there are like 14 teams in it. And I always get a bit miffed that the Big Ten actually has 11 teams, but history is more important there I guess (Was Penn State the 11th team?) Anyway, my only real complaint is that it is very difficult to figure it all out. I also don't really like when I-A schools play I-AA schools in Football, seems like it's just a cheap, free win. It is going to happen a lot this year with the addition of one game for every I-A team. I really hope that one day there is no I-A and I-AA for football and that it will all just be Div I like Basketball. That's a long way off though.

[kelkat]

Thanks for the heads up about the Jags. I can't get much on them where I live. My dad will call me if he runs across them playing on any of the sports channels. I hated that they gave up their soccer program. It was awesome.

As for the divisions, someone somewhere will always want there to be a divide.

[swhite1975]

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