MesaRunner

Please don't use sacks to gage the Titans O-line. If you watched any games at all last season you would know that Vince was injured after the Tamp Bay game and was still injured while playing after that and was indecisive about running. You could see during the game he wouldn't know whether to take off and would hesitate before running and would result in a sack.....

Btw, Benji Olson sucked last year, I'm glad he retired, Jake Scott will do very well in his place...

MesaRunner

No, he got a better average because he's better in coverage. Are you saying if he would've been thrown at 25 more times he would've given up more yards? That's ridiculous....

Griffin - 54 tackles in 8 games started

Nelson - 62 tackles in 16 games started

Who's the better tackler?

JCD

Kevin Williams. There is nothing that Haynesworth does that Kevin Williams doesn't do better. And more consistently.
Kevin Williams
Albert Haynesworth

Despite playing 1 fewer season, K-Dub has over double Haynesworth career sack numbers (and also doubles he single-season best) and is an elite run stuffer on top of that (see: defensive run ranking).
-Better pass rusher
-(arguably) better run stuffer
-More durable
-More consistent

Kevin Williams is the best D-tackle in the game today. Even more impressive, he has been doing it with a cast of draft busts and cast-offs as his ends. When combined with an end of even Lance Johnstone's pass rushing capability, he is a double-digit sack guy.

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MesaRunner

The only thing Kevin Williams has on Haynesworth is that he's more consistent and more durable, that's it.

There's no way in hell you could even try to convince me that Kevin was a better run stopper than Haynesworth last year...

JCD

Complete bull.

How many 10-sack seasons does Haynesworth have? Oh yea. NONE. And that is WITH VDB on his end keeping lines honest. Williams has two and that is playing with Mixon, Udeze and Johnstone as his ends.

To repeat, despite playing fewer seasons, Kevin Williams has over twice the career sack total of Haynesworth.

We have not even started to talk about athleticism. Williams is a freak. He has batted 29 passes down in his career and has FOUR interceptions (2 for TDs). Haynesworth? Half that many and never touched the ball.

Simply put, Haynesworth just isn't in Williams' class as a pass rusher. Kevin William's worst season (3) is better than Haynesworth career average (2.2) and WIlliams blows Haynesworth completely out of the water when it comes to knocking the ball down. Calling Haynesworth as good of a pass rusher as Kevin Williams is lunacy of grotesque proportions.

That would have far more to do with your bias than it does Kevin's ability to stop the run. Kevin Williams is an outstanding run stuffer. One of the rare players who can play as effectively in a 1-gap scheme as he can a 2-gap scheme.

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Browns17

Amount of tackles has nothing to do with how good of a tackler someone is.

Anyways, ur stats are wrong...According to NFL.com
Reggie Nelson:
Played in all 16 games, started 15 of them
58 solo tackles, 1 FF, 1 Sack, 5 INT

Michael Griffin:
Played in all 16 games, started 10 of them
41 solo tackles, 1 FF, 0 Sacks, 3 INT

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Kaeotik

Everyone has their opinion, but I have to say I've never seen a DT that could dominate like Haynesworth. EVER! Seriously.

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MesaRunner

Two of those games were started at CB and the other 8 were on special teams.... I was off by one game on Nelson though, my bad.

What are you trying to say about tackling? That Nelson is better because he makes the sure tackle? If so, I would like to see some links or proof of that because I guarantee you haven't watched enough Titans games or Jags games to know one way or the other....

MesaRunner

Ever heard the saying, "what can you do for me now?"

I could care a less about their career stats. Haynesworth was a far better run stopper last year, and was just as good of a pass rusher while missing three games.....

Thus, being consistent, and being injury free is all Kevin has on Albert....

JCD

Ever hear of "contract year".

Last year, Kevin Williams had 2 TDs, 2 INTs to go with his career low 3 sacks. For those of us who watched him play, the reason the sack numbers dipped was clear: no defensive ends. Williams was still a monster when it came to getting at the QB... the issue was the there was nobody coming off the edge to keep the QB in the pocket. QB could drop back or roll out to avoid Williams.

Seriously, there is no friggen way any non-homer would claim that Haynesworth is as good against the pass as Williams. Might as well say Vince Young is a more accurate passer than Manning. It is just as absurd. Haynesworth has had ONE season with more than 3 sacks. ONE. Where-as Williams has never dipped below three sacks and has several INTs, TDs and batted passes to go with them.

Rephrased, last year is the only time in Haynesworth career does he warrent getting mention in the same breath as Williams. Williams has CONSISTENTLY being among the best DTs in the game for the past 6 years. Haynesworth? A contract year... and even then couldn't match what Williams typically does.

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Jay

How is doing it one year which happened to be a contract place you as the best DT in the league … One year does not an elite athlete make.

The sooner you guys realize that the sooner we can stop hearing ridiculous arguments like ... Patrick Willis is a #1 LB, Mario Williams is the best DE and the oh so famous Adrian Peterson is GOAT. You have to earn your stripes in this league.

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JCD

Agreed.

That said...while it has been only one season, I did get to see Patrick Willis in a couple games. That dude was awesome. He will need to keep playing at that level to warrent "best in the league" consideration, but he definately has the potential to be. He reminded me a lot of a young Urlacher. He was flying across the field and always seem to be in on the stop. Even when he wasn't making the tackle, he was near the ball and influencing the play.

With Lewis nearing the end of the line and Urlacher having an arthitic back, Willis is a strong possibility to be the next guy.

Even so, I wouldn't go as far as calling him better than Urlacher based on just that one season. Just as Haynesworth's one season playing at Kevin Williams level doesn't make him Williams' equal. Much less his better.

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MesaRunner

It's not like Haynesworth was a bum before his great year last year.... He was still an above average DT...

Willis and Peterson were rookies and Williams was in his second year....

Big differences...

JCD

Indeed. Those other players don't have 5 seasons of so-so to above average player before performing well in a contract season.

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Kaeotik

If Haynesworth being better than Williams is "complete bull" Why was Haynesworth 2nd in the defensive player of the year voting last year, and Williams wasn't even mentioned?

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