Titans being overlooked! - Page 3

Kaeotik · 08-12-2008, 11:02 PM

Could someone please show me where I said the Titans were going to win the Superbowl? I never said that. This thread was about basicly nobody having the Titans makin the playoffs this year. they are most certainly good enough to play into January. I believe they have one of the best D-lines in the league. How is that so far fetched? I don't give a crap about pre-season games once the first team is on the bench. u people assume a lot about others opinions don't u? u take "The Titans are being overlooked" and make it the Titans are absolutely unbeatable! 19-0 baby! LOL

MesaRunner · 08-12-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish

Tennesee looked decent against the Rams...Marc Bulger got eaten alive by Kearse...that's a surprise?

The Jags and Colts finish ahead of Tennesee, sorry. The Jags have a great secondary now, and there's no way that VY can pass on them efficiently. The Jags d-line is also made for the run stop...The Colts are just overall good when their players aren't on IR

The Jags have a great secondary? Then what do the Titans have? An elite secondary?

Michael Griffin > Reggie Nelson

Chris Hope > Gerald Sensabaugh > Brian Williams

Rashean Mathis > Nick Harper

Cortland Finnegan > Drayton Florence

Don't argue that Nelson is better than Griffin either, he is better than Nelson in coverage and against the run, I have the metrics to prove it...

MesaRunner · 08-12-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by K2 4MVP22

Do you understand want he meant by that? That was right after they tagged him where he thought he was going to get his money. Where's that long term contract he's talking about? When he says "Hopefully we can work something out long-term so I can stay here" that means all I want from Tennessee is $$$$$. Obviously he's not that enthusiastic about being back.

Really? Because ESPN specifically says, "Haynesworth wants to remain a Titan" doesn't get any more clear than that.... Here's another quote about the tag....

Titans' Haynesworth happy with short deal - Forbes.com

"I'm making $7.2 million. That's a lot of money. I don't care how you cut it. I'm happy they're giving it to me, and we'll see what happens next year," Haynesworth said with a smile.

Browns17 · 08-13-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MesaRunner

The Jags have a great secondary? Then what do the Titans have? An elite secondary?

Michael Griffin > Reggie Nelson

Chris Hope > Gerald Sensabaugh > Brian Williams

Rashean Mathis > Nick Harper

Cortland Finnegan > Drayton Florence

Don't argue that Nelson is better than Griffin either, he is better than Nelson in coverage and against the run, I have the metrics to prove it...

I'm goin to argue that Nelson is better than Griffin because he's an overall better safety. Everyone is better at something than someone else in the NFL. I would take Nelson over Griffin anyday and I like Griffin better so don't think I'm hating on Griffin. Mathis is better than anyone listed on that comparison especially Harper. Chris Hope if he can recover fully is probably better than Brian Williams, but we don't know yet because no one has seen him play Safety yet. Finnegan and Florence are pretty much the same but I'd give a slight edge to Finnegan because he's got better potiential. Jags have a better secondary than the Titans.

Browns17 · 08-13-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

Could someone please show me where I said the Titans were going to win the Superbowl? I never said that. This thread was about basicly nobody having the Titans makin the playoffs this year. they are most certainly good enough to play into January. I believe they have one of the best D-lines in the league. How is that so far fetched? I don't give a crap about pre-season games once the first team is on the bench. u people assume a lot about others opinions don't u? u take "The Titans are being overlooked" and make it the Titans are absolutely unbeatable! 19-0 baby! LOL

Can you show me where someone said that you said they were going to?

Browns17 · 08-13-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MesaRunner

Wow, I know Kaotic or whatever his name is, is going way overboard, but give me a break.....

Mediocre O-line? I hope you weren't serious? Roos is a top 5 LT in the NFL right now, David Stewart is a top 10 RT, and we just signed veteran RG Jake Scott from the Colts who is also a top 10 RG in the NFL..... Our only weakness is at LG, but only because it's unproven, Eugene Amano has been solid when backing up last year, but I'm not completely sold on him.... We have a top 10 O-line in the league easily...

As for our secondary, it a a STRONG point... We were ranked in the top 10 last year and that was with a rookie in Michael Griffin at FS and our star SS in Chris Hope injured. Finnegan is an up and coming star at CB and Nick Harper is no speedster, but he tackles well and doesn't give up the big play.... Our weakness is on offense in the passing game, nothing else...

The Titans line gave up 30 sacks last year and only added one lineman after loosing two. They would have had more if VY wasn't able to evade sacks. Too me that's no Top 10 line. Now Jake Scott is an upgrade over Jacob Bell but you also lost Benji Olson which is an important Veteran leadership needed to gel an O-Line.

K2 4MVP22 · 08-13-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MesaRunner

Really? Because ESPN specifically says, "Haynesworth wants to remain a Titan" doesn't get any more clear than that.... Here's another quote about the tag....

Titans' Haynesworth happy with short deal - Forbes.com

"I'm making $7.2 million. That's a lot of money. I don't care how you cut it. I'm happy they're giving it to me, and we'll see what happens next year," Haynesworth said with a smile.

He's making 7.2 mill in one year he's getting his money. Your gonna believe everything ESPN says? They said Favre was going o the Vikings and he Jets got him. Show me a quote where he says straight up "I want to be in Tennessee."

Kaeotik · 08-13-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Browns17

Can you show me where someone said that you said they were going to?

"Your talking up the Titans like they have already won the Super Bowl."

^^^From the previous page. I don't get how I did that.

K2 4MVP22 · 08-13-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

"Your talking up the Titans like they have already won the Super Bowl."

^^^From the previous page. I don't get how I did that.

Obviously you don't understand. I did not say you said they are going to the Super Bowl. I'm saying you are glorifying them like thay are Super Bowl Champions and they are not.

JCD · 08-13-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

LOL@ the Chargers. Great team. Not a great D-line.

Louis Castillo is arguably the best 3-4 end in football. Jamal Williams is one of the best Nose Tackles in football. Olegshansky is a very good end.

So how is that not a great d-line?

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

Ravens? They have no D-end like Vandenbosch.

Both Suggs and Pryce both are on par with VDB. Suggs the best pass rusher of the three, but worst run stuffer (not that he is a liability by any means). Pryce the best run-stuffer but worst pass rusher (not that he is a liability there either).

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

They have no tackle like Haynesworth

You should acquaint yourself with Haloi Ngata then. Like Pat Williams? He is the younger version.

A better statement is that the Titans do not have a D-Tackle to match Gregg.

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

and where were they ranked last year?

2nd best run defense in the league (and best YPC against... a shocking sub 3 yards)
NFL Stats: by Team Category

And yet another Top-10 finish with the 6th best defense overall (a hair behind the Titans)

Why do you ask?

JCD · 08-13-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

I'll give u maybe the Vikings. That's it. Albert Haynesworth could line up by himself on the D-line and be one of the best in the league. LOL

Haynesworth isn't even the best D-Tackle in the league, so try again.

JCD · 08-13-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kaeotik

I believe they have one of the best D-lines in the league. How is that so far fetched?

Because having one great DT and one very good DE doesn't make it one of the best D-Lines in football. The other two starting spots are very suspect.

Having 2 strong players on a line is a great start, but how good that line really is will be determined by the play of the other two linemen. If they can be handled 1-on-1, then Offenses will be able to double-team Haynesworth and VDB.

MesaRunner · 08-13-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JCD

Haynesworth isn't even the best D-Tackle in the league, so try again.

I would absolutely LOVE to know who is....

Haynesworth is just a good against the run as Pat Williams and is a FAR better pass rusher....

MesaRunner · 08-13-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Browns17

I'm goin to argue that Nelson is better than Griffin because he's an overall better safety. Everyone is better at something than someone else in the NFL. I would take Nelson over Griffin anyday and I like Griffin better so don't think I'm hating on Griffin. Mathis is better than anyone listed on that comparison especially Harper. Chris Hope if he can recover fully is probably better than Brian Williams, but we don't know yet because no one has seen him play Safety yet. Finnegan and Florence are pretty much the same but I'd give a slight edge to Finnegan because he's got better potiential. Jags have a better secondary than the Titans.

Can you please explain how Nelson is an overall safety? I would love to know.... The only thing you could try and argue is that he is better in coverage than Griffin, but I have the stats to prove he isn't....

Nelson: 55 Targets Thrown An Average Of 17.5 Yards For an Average of 9.2 Yards Allowed Per Pass. 55% Success Rate

Griffin: 30 Targets Thrown An Average of 10.2 Yards For an Average of 3.3 Yards Allowed Per Pass. 58% Success Rate

Griffin has a better success rate and allows 7.3 yards LESS a pass, it's not even close....

Griffin is far better against the run as well, would you like to argue that as well?

Browns17 · 08-13-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MesaRunner

Can you please explain how Nelson is an overall safety? I would love to know.... The only thing you could try and argue is that he is better in coverage than Griffin, but I have the stats to prove he isn't....

Nelson: 55 Targets Thrown An Average Of 17.5 Yards For an Average of 9.2 Yards Allowed Per Pass. 55% Success Rate

Griffin: 30 Targets Thrown An Average of 10.2 Yards For an Average of 3.3 Yards Allowed Per Pass. 58% Success Rate

Griffin has a better success rate and allows 7.3 yards LESS a pass, it's not even close....

Griffin is far better against the run as well, would you like to argue that as well?

ummm 55 targets thrown to 30 targets thrown, that's why he's got a lower average. Nelson is also a better tackler.

08-12-2008, 11:02 PM	#31 (permalink)
Kaeotik Starter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Virginia Age: 30 Posts: 123 vCash: 500 NFL Team: Tennessee Titans NCAA Team: West Virginia Mountaineers	Could someone please show me where I said the Titans were going to win the Superbowl? I never said that. This thread was about basicly nobody having the Titans makin the playoffs this year. they are most certainly good enough to play into January. I believe they have one of the best D-lines in the league. How is that so far fetched? I don't give a crap about pre-season games once the first team is on the bench. u people assume a lot about others opinions don't u? u take "The Titans are being overlooked" and make it the Titans are absolutely unbeatable! 19-0 baby! LOL __________________

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