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Old 05-28-2008, 12:14 PM   #61 (permalink)
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And at the same time, I am laughing....
ok fine, tell me how the 9 guys in the other post i quoted have done better than MJD.

lets look at some of your guys

Vince Young--422-739 4,745yds 21tds 30ints 69.0 rating

Mario Williams--106tkls 18.5sck

AJ Hawk--224 tkls 4.5sck 3int

Matt Leinart--274-489 3,194yds 13tds 16ints 71.2 rating

Laurence Maroney--360att 1,580yds 12tds 310rec yds 1td

Santonio Holmes--101rec 1,766yds 10tds 1punt return td

Joseph Addai--487att 2,153yds 19tds 689rec yds 4tds

LenDale White-- 364att 1,354yds 7tds 174rec yds

Devin Hester--299rec yds 2tds 4kick return tds 7 punt return tds

Maurice Jones-Drew--333att 1,709 yds 22 tds 843rec yds 2 tds 2kr tds

take it as it is, Jones-Drew has outproduced pretty much everyone you listed
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MJD is not better than LenDale White. White faced 8 man fronts all year and played with a torn meniscus, something that LT even sat out with DURING the playoffs. White had more yards than MJD too and had to face less man fronts and got to face weak defenses after Taylor pounded them.

Hester better than MJD? I don't even have to explain that one, something is wrong with you.
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Hester is FAR better than MJD. Some games have been won by Hester alone and he had one less TD than MJD last year, but probably only gets in on a 1/3 of the plays MJD does.

Hester is by far a bigger weapon than MJD is and if someone other than someone named Rex Grossman was throwing to him he would be unstoppable.
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As said before, Hester had 1 less td than MJD, and over 3 quarters of Hester's were off KRs and PRs...MJD was rushing the ball, which tends to get you a whole lot more TDs than returners usually. Hester was pretty much a huge reason that the Bears won the NFC 2 years ago. He's the biggest part of the bears team, and he's just a returner. Case and point: Cardinals game - Bears are down, the D helps bring them points, the O can't produce, and then to seal the deal for a win pretty much, Hester returns one for a TD....Denver game - Elam decides to be a smart a** (in my eyes, actually good to see him challenge it) and say he'll kick to Hester. Hester brought back 2 KRs for touchdowns, and I think a punt, but don't quote that one....Hester is one of the main reasons the Bears win. MJD is a part of why the Jags win, but not a main reason consistantly
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ok fine, tell me how the 9 guys in the other post i quoted have done better than MJD.

lets look at some of your guys

Vince Young--422-739 4,745yds 21tds 30ints 69.0 rating

Mario Williams--106tkls 18.5sck

AJ Hawk--224 tkls 4.5sck 3int

Matt Leinart--274-489 3,194yds 13tds 16ints 71.2 rating

Laurence Maroney--360att 1,580yds 12tds 310rec yds 1td

Santonio Holmes--101rec 1,766yds 10tds 1punt return td

Joseph Addai--487att 2,153yds 19tds 689rec yds 4tds

LenDale White-- 364att 1,354yds 7tds 174rec yds

Devin Hester--299rec yds 2tds 4kick return tds 7 punt return tds

Maurice Jones-Drew--333att 1,709 yds 22 tds 843rec yds 2 tds 2kr tds

take it as it is, Jones-Drew has outproduced pretty much everyone you listed


Mesa - First look at some stats as their posted above. MJD-all purpose put him any where that he can touch the ball and he can score. Hester's not even a main target when it comes to passing even though maybe now he is cause the Bears lost their recievers but they still signed Marty Booker. Next, why would you want to say your team won because of your returner? that shows you have no team you have a one man team and it's easy to take the ball out of his hands then what do you have? Nothing. Again stats tell you MJD is far better than LenDale.

Irish - If you think a returner can win you every game your crazy. Which is why I will take MJD over Hester all day. MJD can do it all. Run, catch, block and recieve kicks/punts. So good luck to the Bears only scorer, when they can't even keep him happy.

hit 'em88 - I have nothing to say about you cause you know who and how to win(s) football games. Thanks 4 the stats so I didn't have to post them.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:35 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Why is MJD being compared to a linebacker, defensive end, quarterback and wide receiver? You can't randomly compare entirely different positions and determinate who was has been the most successful; this makes no sense at all.
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Hester is a great return man but he isn't a great player yet. If he stays at WR he could become a top tier WR.He shouldn't play at cb anymore he just wasn't that good on defense at Miami or with the Bears.

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Hester has blazing speed if they keep him at WR he could learn to get better hands.
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Just for the record, my only comment about Hester was that he is sick as a return man and a force to be reckoned with. Hands down the best return man in the game today if not ever.

But as far as who is the better all around player....MJD or Hester. I'd have to give MJD the slight edge. I say slight edge because Hester is THAT good as a return man. Furthermore, to compare a return man to a RB is pretty silly to begin with.

Finally, I'd like to add that if MJD is truly THAT special or THAT good as some are saying on here....then how come he CONTINUES to split time with an injury riddled veteran like Fred Taylor?
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Finally, I'd like to add that if MJD is truly THAT special or THAT good as some are saying on here....then how come he CONTINUES to split time with an injury riddled veteran like Fred Taylor?

How often was Fred Taylor injured last year?
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Point taken. Still doesn't matter. Why can't he take the lions share of the carries? I'll tell you why. Because he's good but still learning. He's undersized and he can't carry the load. Once again, I'm saying MJD is good but let's not start making his bust for the Hall just yet.
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Point taken. Still doesn't matter. Why can't he take the lions share of the carries? I'll tell you why. Because he's good but still learning. He's undersized and he can't carry the load. Once again, I'm saying MJD is good but let's not start making his bust for the Hall just yet.

are you serious? lol because fred taylor just like MJD is a playmaker that can take it all the way everytime he touches the ball.
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MJD is an above average back - nothing more.
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are you serious? lol because fred taylor just like MJD is a playmaker that can take it all the way everytime he touches the ball.

MJD NEEDS Fred Taylor, not the other way around. He is in a way, just like Reggie Bush, but he can run between the tackles.

And for you K2, the only reason I think LenDale is a better back is because he can carry the load all by himself, he can do it with 8 man fronts all day long, and with little to no passing attack, while MJD has Fred Taylor to wear defenses down and a very good passing game to run behind, plus LenDale did what he did last year while being injured all year with a torn meniscus.

Who's the best back in the league? LT? What did he do when he had a meniscus problem? Oh yeah, he sat and whined like a little girl....
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MJD NEEDS Fred Taylor, not the other way around. He is in a way, just like Reggie Bush, but he can run between the tackles.

And for you K2, the only reason I think LenDale is a better back is because he can carry the load all by himself, he can do it with 8 man fronts all day long, and with little to no passing attack, while MJD has Fred Taylor to wear defenses down and a very good passing game to run behind, plus LenDale did what he did last year while being injured all year with a torn meniscus.

Who's the best back in the league? LT? What did he do when he had a meniscus problem? Oh yeah, he sat and whined like a little girl....
MJD hasn't had a chance to carry the load, so how can you say he can't carry the load all by himself? He carried the ball 167 times last year and got 768 yards plus 9 TDs. White carried 303 times and got 1110 yds and 7 TDs. That's only 342 yds less that White had with 136 more touches and 2 less TDs. On top of that, MJD receives the ball well and is a good returner, two things White doesn't do very well. White will also have a lighter load this year with the addition of Chris Johnson plus still having Chris Henry.

I'm not saying LenDale White is bad, he's good, but not as good as MJD.
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Mjd is good and so is Lendale but I would lean toward MJD, he looks faster and I`ve never seen another runningback knock out shawn merriman.
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MJD hasn't had a chance to carry the load, so how can you say he can't carry the load all by himself? He carried the ball 167 times last year and got 768 yards plus 9 TDs. White carried 303 times and got 1110 yds and 7 TDs. That's only 342 yds less that White had with 136 more touches and 2 less TDs. On top of that, MJD receives the ball well and is a good returner, two things White doesn't do very well. White will also have a lighter load this year with the addition of Chris Johnson plus still having Chris Henry.

I'm not saying LenDale White is bad, he's good, but not as good as MJD.
We will see this year. MJD has a good passing attack and a possible HOF running back to run behind. LenDale was facing 8 man fronts all year long, this year should be different as VY will be progressing and White is down to 238 LBS.
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