Vince Young's a Stud....David Carr's a dud

Jay · 11-28-2006, 08:17 AM

I know I should forget about last year's draft but man did we blow it by not taking Vince. He is simply a winner and David Carr will at his best only be average. As for those who think we're placing too much blame on David Carr, while I agree the Texans have multiple problems, your quarterback is your field general who leads with his attitude/demeanor as well as his talent. Vince has both, David seems to have neither. When I look into David's eyes I see a demeanor that suggest, "gee I hope we can make this play" With Vince, you can tell he WANTS to be in the game in critical situations and he carries an attitude of "we will win" instead of "I hope we don't lose".

In the USC game like most I was impressed with his run for the winning touchdown. But what sold me on Vince was the look on his face right after Lindel White was stopped just short of the 1st down and USC had to punt. Vince's expression was like a little cocky smirk (and I don't mean that in a bad way). You could see by his facial expression that he alone was not going to allow his team to lose...and he didn't. As for David not having talent around him, how much talent does Vince have around him with the Titans? Yet he finds a way to win. Simply put, Vince is a winner, David is mediocre at best

MaddHatter · 11-28-2006, 08:46 AM

You're an Idiot... if you really think Houston's biggest problem is Carr then I have to wonder if you've actually ever been to a game? The guy has a 60+ completion ratio the last 3 years and is knocking on 70% this year. And most of the INT's he's thrown were balls that hit his receiver in the chest and popped out to a defenders hands. He's extremely accurate, passionate and has a good head on his shoulder (don't know how long that'll last if he keeps having 40+ sack seasons.) If you guys could keep Dom healthy and get an OL that could block, you'd actually be pretty good.

Jay · 11-28-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddHatter

You're an Idiot... if you really think Houston's biggest problem is Carr then I have to wonder if you've actually ever been to a game?

Obviously you didn't read my post; I never said he was the biggest problem, reread again JR

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Originally Posted by MaddHatter

The guy has a 60+ completion ratio the last 3 years and is knocking on 70% this year. And most of the INT's he's thrown were balls that hit his receiver in the chest and popped out to a defenders hands. He's extremely accurate, passionate and has a good head on his shoulder (don't know how long that'll last if he keeps having 40+ sack seasons.)

Before all of you David Carr apologists regurgitate his stat totals, the truth of the matter is he has no poise in the pocket, exhibits no on-field leadership and consistently makes bad decisions. Don't be fooled by the stats, majority of his completions come late in games when the outcome has already been decided and furthermore I’m sure when you're throwing the ball 2 and 3 yards it's not that hard getting completions. The point is that Carr is entering his fifth season as a QB, and he is playing worse than ever. David Carr has never shown the ability to go through his progressions and find an open receiver downfield. Until he does this, he will never be a viable NFL starting QB

MaddHatter · 11-28-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaytrajik

Obviously you didn't read my post; I never said he was the biggest problem, reread again JR

Before all of you David Carr apologists regurgitate his stat totals, the truth of the matter is he has no poise in the pocket, exhibits no on-field leadership and consistently makes bad decisions. Don't be fooled by the stats, majority of his completions come late in games when the outcome has already been decided and furthermore I’m sure when you're throwing the ball 2 and 3 yards it's not that hard getting completions. The point is that Carr is entering his fifth season as a QB, and he is playing worse than ever. David Carr has never shown the ability to go through his progressions and find an open receiver downfield. Until he does this, he will never be a viable NFL starting QB

I read your post just fine, and your bitching about a solid quarterback that would be great on any other team. I suggest you look deeper into your franchise and bitch about something else b/c Carr is neither a problem nor a scapegoat for your lack of winning.

Jay · 11-28-2006, 10:49 AM

Solid my a**, why you have such a man-crush on Carr beats me ... is it his California locks or his boyish charms…whatever it is you need to pull your head out you’re a** and realize the truth. David Carr is Average at best. No, he’s not the worst but last time I checked the QB is the field general, the blame is going to fall on his shoulders when he’s constantly checking down to the RB or TE. Last game against Jets he had six 3rd down plays where he completed passes shy of the first down…who’s to blame for that, if it was once or twice yea the WR is as much responsible as the QB but 6 times give me a break. His performance against the Jets was the worst 300 yard game by a QB this year. If he’s so solid why can’t he score any touchdowns in the clutch when you need them, why when Sage Rosenfel came in the game against the Titans (working with same crew Carr has) threw for 3 TD’s more than what Carr has thrown in his last 5 games. In the words of Ozzie Guillen “Psshht...please!" You’re just a David Car fan-boy and nothing else

MANNING18 · 11-28-2006, 01:10 PM

I agree that A) The Texans blew the draft big time. They had 3 options that would of worked out tremendously for them. 1-Draft Bush, sell a ton of jerseys, sell a ton of seats 2-Draft Vince Young, right out of Texas for ya, a bonafide winner, and yes an absolute stud in the NFL showing signs of true greatness, 3-Trade the pick and get someone proven because you need a QB badly. Teams would of given an arm and a leg for the 1 pick in last years draft.
I also agree that Carr is garbage, anyone whose thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in what is it 5 years? needs to be let go and forgot about. He is an absolute DUD you're right.

PredsFan77 · 11-28-2006, 01:17 PM

It was funny to see LenDale getting ready to beat the **** out of someone when VY got hit out of bounds against the G-men. Hopefully LenDale will have VY's back for years to come.

jBuds · 11-28-2006, 02:03 PM

Carr is not the problem IMO... simple as that. I can't put my finger on what the problem is, exactly, but I'm pretty set on it not being Carr

KINGZZKEITH · 11-28-2006, 02:13 PM

I have to agree with the opinion that the Texans blew this year's draft. If they knew they were not going to be able to sign Bush they should have traded down. Surely there were teams dying to land Bush. They would have landed at least another pick in the draft (even for moving down 1 or 2 spots).

Carr has been alright (and it's still early), but I would much rather have Young.

Jay · 11-28-2006, 02:23 PM

I love how you Carr supporters and supposed "football experts" completely go to bat for Carr, I love it when Vince Young and that rookie for the Redskins, Jason Campbell, find ways to win. In fact, Campbell against one of the most potent defenses in the league went out right when the coordinator was going to call the play. He had to call it himself, with the personnel he had on the field. The play went for 66 yards and a TD. Without any help from his offensive line, or his running game, and with pure grit and determination, Matt Leinart passed for 405 yards and a TD and the Cardinals dang near made a game of it against the Vikings in Minnesota. Then there's Carr and you muffins want to blame everybody plus the kitchen sink in McNair's personal office bathroom. Find a leader at QB, and the whole perspective of the team changes. Find a leader at QB, and everybody plays better. Find someone who demands excellence from himself, and everybody else will demand it of themselves. It is possible to take lesser talent, instilled with pure drive and motivation to excel, and beat the more talented teams it’s been known to happen. If you still support Carr, you don't know squat about this game.

MANNING18 · 11-28-2006, 03:51 PM

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Carr is not the problem IMO... simple as that. I can't put my finger on what the problem is, exactly, but I'm pretty set on it not being Carr

Nice coming from a J.P Losman fan I suppose any QB looks good to you. I CANT EVEN BELIEVE THIS IS AN ARGUMENT. NOW THAT PLUMMER IS FINISHED CARR IS THE NEW CROWNED WORST STARTER IN THE NFL. Losman is his Joker. When guys like Young and Campbell and Cutler are superbowl QBs Eli Manning fans, David Carr fans, J.P Losman fans will STILL be saying "they will be great qb's in the future, they will be great qb's".

MaddHatter · 11-28-2006, 03:54 PM

You guys still gonna be saying that about Peyton?

MANNING18 · 11-28-2006, 05:05 PM

Peyton is a great QB and will inevitably be the greatest. Dont give me the rings bull**** because his career is far from over and its just plain boring to hear that now. The closet Losman or Carr will come to a ring is a **** ring.

MaddHatter · 11-28-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MANNING18

Peyton is a great QB and will inevitably be the greatest. Dont give me the rings bull**** because his career is far from over and its just plain boring to hear that now. The closet Losman or Carr will come to a ring is a **** ring.

Hahaa you're the one talking about rings, I just figured I'd throw your man-crush's name in there while we're at it.

horsepowered · 11-28-2006, 07:29 PM

david carr maybe average but average QBs win games and superbowls. its a team effort that gets it done. a lot of teams would love to have an "average" QB. its tuff too tell if david carr would be better on a different team or not. but i would say YES. when he isn't being pressured right after the snap he is pretty good. that line is horrible.

11-28-2006, 08:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jay Global Mod Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 2,112 vCash: 700 NFL Team: Houston Texans NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	Vince Young's a Stud....David Carr's a dud I know I should forget about last year's draft but man did we blow it by not taking Vince. He is simply a winner and David Carr will at his best only be average. As for those who think we're placing too much blame on David Carr, while I agree the Texans have multiple problems, your quarterback is your field general who leads with his attitude/demeanor as well as his talent. Vince has both, David seems to have neither. When I look into David's eyes I see a demeanor that suggest, "gee I hope we can make this play" With Vince, you can tell he WANTS to be in the game in critical situations and he carries an attitude of "we will win" instead of "I hope we don't lose". In the USC game like most I was impressed with his run for the winning touchdown. But what sold me on Vince was the look on his face right after Lindel White was stopped just short of the 1st down and USC had to punt. Vince's expression was like a little cocky smirk (and I don't mean that in a bad way). You could see by his facial expression that he alone was not going to allow his team to lose...and he didn't. As for David not having talent around him, how much talent does Vince have around him with the Titans? Yet he finds a way to win. Simply put, Vince is a winner, David is mediocre at best

11-28-2006, 10:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jay Global Mod Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 2,112 vCash: 700 NFL Team: Houston Texans NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	Solid my a, why you have such a man-crush on Carr beats me ... is it his California locks or his boyish charms…whatever it is you need to pull your head out you’re a and realize the truth. David Carr is Average at best. No, he’s not the worst but last time I checked the QB is the field general, the blame is going to fall on his shoulders when he’s constantly checking down to the RB or TE. Last game against Jets he had six 3rd down plays where he completed passes shy of the first down…who’s to blame for that, if it was once or twice yea the WR is as much responsible as the QB but 6 times give me a break. His performance against the Jets was the worst 300 yard game by a QB this year. If he’s so solid why can’t he score any touchdowns in the clutch when you need them, why when Sage Rosenfel came in the game against the Titans (working with same crew Carr has) threw for 3 TD’s more than what Carr has thrown in his last 5 games. In the words of Ozzie Guillen “Psshht...please!" You’re just a David Car fan-boy and nothing else Last edited by Jay : 11-28-2006 at 11:58 AM.

11-28-2006, 01:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
MANNING18 Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 260 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Indianapolis Colts NCAA Team: Nebraska Cornhuskers	I agree that A) The Texans blew the draft big time. They had 3 options that would of worked out tremendously for them. 1-Draft Bush, sell a ton of jerseys, sell a ton of seats 2-Draft Vince Young, right out of Texas for ya, a bonafide winner, and yes an absolute stud in the NFL showing signs of true greatness, 3-Trade the pick and get someone proven because you need a QB badly. Teams would of given an arm and a leg for the 1 pick in last years draft. I also agree that Carr is garbage, anyone whose thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in what is it 5 years? needs to be let go and forgot about. He is an absolute DUD you're right. __________________ "Do you know what happens when you slice a golf ball in half? Someone gets mad at you. I found this out the hard way."

11-28-2006, 02:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
jBuds make-it-rain-Marshawn Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 415 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Buffalo Bills	Carr is not the problem IMO... simple as that. I can't put my finger on what the problem is, exactly, but I'm pretty set on it not being Carr __________________ Designed by Skylight Creative: 208.964.5700

11-28-2006, 05:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
MANNING18 Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 260 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Indianapolis Colts NCAA Team: Nebraska Cornhuskers	Peyton is a great QB and will inevitably be the greatest. Dont give me the rings bull** because his career is far from over and its just plain boring to hear that now. The closet Losman or Carr will come to a ring is a ring. __________________ "Do you know what happens when you slice a golf ball in half? Someone gets mad at you. I found this out the hard way."**

11-28-2006, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
MaddHatter All-Pro Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 692 vCash: 2868 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	You're an Idiot... if you really think Houston's biggest problem is Carr then I have to wonder if you've actually ever been to a game? The guy has a 60+ completion ratio the last 3 years and is knocking on 70% this year. And most of the INT's he's thrown were balls that hit his receiver in the chest and popped out to a defenders hands. He's extremely accurate, passionate and has a good head on his shoulder (don't know how long that'll last if he keeps having 40+ sack seasons.) If you guys could keep Dom healthy and get an OL that could block, you'd actually be pretty good.

11-28-2006, 01:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
PredsFan77 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 915 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Tennessee Titans NCAA Team: South Carolina Gamecocks	It was funny to see LenDale getting ready to beat the **** out of someone when VY got hit out of bounds against the G-men. Hopefully LenDale will have VY's back for years to come.

11-28-2006, 02:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
KINGZZKEITH Backup Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 35 vCash: 2000	I have to agree with the opinion that the Texans blew this year's draft. If they knew they were not going to be able to sign Bush they should have traded down. Surely there were teams dying to land Bush. They would have landed at least another pick in the draft (even for moving down 1 or 2 spots). Carr has been alright (and it's still early), but I would much rather have Young.

11-28-2006, 02:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jay Global Mod Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 2,112 vCash: 700 NFL Team: Houston Texans NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	I love how you Carr supporters and supposed "football experts" completely go to bat for Carr, I love it when Vince Young and that rookie for the Redskins, Jason Campbell, find ways to win. In fact, Campbell against one of the most potent defenses in the league went out right when the coordinator was going to call the play. He had to call it himself, with the personnel he had on the field. The play went for 66 yards and a TD. Without any help from his offensive line, or his running game, and with pure grit and determination, Matt Leinart passed for 405 yards and a TD and the Cardinals dang near made a game of it against the Vikings in Minnesota. Then there's Carr and you muffins want to blame everybody plus the kitchen sink in McNair's personal office bathroom. Find a leader at QB, and the whole perspective of the team changes. Find a leader at QB, and everybody plays better. Find someone who demands excellence from himself, and everybody else will demand it of themselves. It is possible to take lesser talent, instilled with pure drive and motivation to excel, and beat the more talented teams it’s been known to happen. If you still support Carr, you don't know squat about this game.

11-28-2006, 03:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
MaddHatter All-Pro Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 692 vCash: 2868 NFL Team: Dallas Cowboys NCAA Team: Texas Longhorns	You guys still gonna be saying that about Peyton?

11-28-2006, 07:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
horsepowered TouchDown Addai Tournaments Won: 1 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: indiana Age: 29 Posts: 155 vCash: 2000 NFL Team: Indianapolis Colts	david carr maybe average but average QBs win games and superbowls. its a team effort that gets it done. a lot of teams would love to have an "average" QB. its tuff too tell if david carr would be better on a different team or not. but i would say YES. when he isn't being pressured right after the snap he is pretty good. that line is horrible. __________________

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