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Old 09-09-2008, 11:11 AM   #31 (permalink)
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The linebackers are the weakest part of the entire team. That unit is terrible. Wimbley is the only one that is pretty good, but even he is invisible on most plays because teams can double team him without worrying about anyone else.

On the other side, they're starting a 7th round pick who did nothing on Sunday and shouldn't be playing. Their inside linebackers are slow, can't get to the QB, and do nothing to stop the running game.

If I was coach, I'd change this defense to a 4-3. Move Wimbley to DE. At least that way, I can reduce the responsibilities of those crappy linebackers.

I agree. I don't even know why we changed to a 3-4. Wait, cause of defensive guru Romeo Crennel. How's his defense now? 30 something in the NFL every year isn't going to make you that defensive mastermind he once was. We would get a better pass rush, and run stop with a 4-3. If we got a decent OLB that has the speed to get to the QB. I have never been a fan of the 3-4 in Cleveland.
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:12 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Nobody said that about Cleveland literally, but it was pretty widely accepted that the Browns should make the playoffs. I didn't think they would at first, but with having New England out they might make that last playoff spot. Still at 9-7 by the end.

It was stated we would make the playoffs, yes. It was not stated we would make the playoffs cause we aquired Shaun Rogers.
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The linebackers are the weakest part of the entire team. That unit is terrible. Wimbley is the only one that is pretty good, but even he is invisible on most plays because teams can double team him without worrying about anyone else.

On the other side, they're starting a 7th round pick who did nothing on Sunday and shouldn't be playing. Their inside linebackers are slow, can't get to the QB, and do nothing to stop the running game.

If I was coach, I'd change this defense to a 4-3. Move Wimbley to DE. At least that way, I can reduce the responsibilities of those crappy linebackers.
1. Our DBs our by far the worse part of our team
2. We didnt start a 7th round pick at OLB (Wimbley & McGinest)
3. Andra Davis isn't as good as he was in the 4-3, but he is still a solid LB,
4. D'Qwell Jackson is a beast and has been in the top of the league in tackles since his rookie season
5. Leon Williams is Andra Davis replacment, and a very athletic and talented LB
6. Alex Hall, the 7th rounder has a very good preseason and will be a very solid LB in the future
7. The Browns are expecting big things from Beau Bell, but we'll see about him cuz he hasnt played much due to an injury
8. Wimbley & McGinest eveyone knows about...how is our LB our worst part?
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1. Our DBs our by far the worse part of our team
How can you tell? With no pass rush, the DBs have to run around for up to ten seconds while the QB waits for someone to get open.

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4. D'Qwell Jackson is a beast and has been in the top of the league in tackles since his rookie season
Tackles as a number alone don't mean much. Where did he make those tackles? Were they all seven yards upfield? Going by the run defense numbers last year, I'd guess so.

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how is our LB our worst part?
No pass rush; no ability to stop the run.
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How can you tell? With no pass rush, the DBs have to run around for up to ten seconds while the QB waits for someone to get open.


Tackles as a number alone don't mean much. Where did he make those tackles? Were they all seven yards upfield? Going by the run defense numbers last year, I'd guess so.


No pass rush; no ability to stop the run.

Haha there's more pass rush in a flag football game, and the quarterback has all day to throw just like a flag football game.


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How can you tell? With no pass rush, the DBs have to run around for up to ten seconds while the QB waits for someone to get open.


Tackles as a number alone don't mean much. Where did he make those tackles? Were they all seven yards upfield? Going by the run defense numbers last year, I'd guess so.


No pass rush; no ability to stop the run.
The Browns coaching staff rarely ever Blitzes and if they do its the FS or SS or just the D-Line. That has notin to do with the LBs if they dont get a chance to blitz.
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The Browns coaching staff rarely ever Blitzes and if they do its the FS or SS or just the D-Line. That has notin to do with the LBs if they dont get a chance to blitz.

We don't have the defensive scheme to get pressure on the QB through our line. Obviously the LB's aren't helping the secondary in coverage considering Romo picked us apart. This is the era of the blitz. QB's have got alot smarter over the years. You need a pash rush to make these QB's make sloppy passes so your secondary can get a chance at some turnovers. Just rushing the passer with 3 down lineman, and sometimes with a stand up converted DE isn't going to help keep points off the board when Wimbley gets double teamed more than half the time he actually does blitz. This is the reason i don't think Crennel is all he's cracked up to be. Bring in Cowher! Haha.
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I'd have to say atm the Seahawks have the weakest WR core, not the Browns. The Browns at least have Braylon Edwards active, compared to the Seahawks whose top 4 wideouts are either out for an extended period or on IR.
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The Browns coaching staff rarely ever Blitzes and if they do its the FS or SS or just the D-Line. That has notin to do with the LBs if they dont get a chance to blitz.
Hey, that's why I want them to go to a 4-3. At least then, they could rush Wimbley on every down. As an OLB, they have him running around in coverage too much. It's a waste to do that.

Also, they don't blitz because it's a waste. They don't bother since none of the linebackers ever touch the QB. Other than Wimbley, they all suck at the pass rush and suck at stopping the run.
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Hey, that's why I want them to go to a 4-3. At least then, they could rush Wimbley on every down. As an OLB, they have him running around in coverage too much. It's a waste to do that.

Also, they don't blitz because it's a waste. They don't bother since none of the linebackers ever touch the QB. Other than Wimbley, they all suck at the pass rush and suck at stopping the run.

I agree to a point. Jackson can stop the run. Once he gets handed the reigns from Davis he'll run the defense sideline to sideline. We need to go back to a 4-3, and get a OLB in the draft. We need a pass rush to be a elite team in this league.
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Hey, that's why I want them to go to a 4-3. At least then, they could rush Wimbley on every down. As an OLB, they have him running around in coverage too much. It's a waste to do that.

Also, they don't blitz because it's a waste. They don't bother since none of the linebackers ever touch the QB. Other than Wimbley, they all suck at the pass rush and suck at stopping the run.
I agree with the 4-3 part, i was willing to give the 3-4 system a year or two to gel and work, but in a pass happy division and lack of college 3-4 talent, it's hard. I mean Wimbley & Robaire Smith on DE & Corey Williams & Rogers at DT would be a damn good line. Then Andra in MLB, D'Qwell & Mcginest/Alex Hall at OLB. Sounds good, but Romeo would never do it because he's a 3-4 coach.

Davis & Jackson are run stuffing LB and Wimbley is a great pass rusher and if we can get a solid pass rushing olb in the draft as K2 said or a young one via free agency, we'd have a balanced LB core, but in my opinion our DB, especially now that Sean Jones is out for awhile, is still our worst part until they learn how to mature and become solid NFL DBs. I mean put Wright or McDonald on most teams and guarantee they dont even start or at best they start at Nickel Back. They should be good in a year or 2 though.
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I'd have to say atm the Seahawks have the weakest WR core, not the Browns. The Browns at least have Braylon Edwards active, compared to the Seahawks whose top 4 wideouts are either out for an extended period or on IR.
I would put them as the worst also now with all the injuries....Raiders a close second.
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just to toss my thoughts on the weakest WR group in the NFL... it belongs to Minnesota
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Davis & Jackson are run stuffing LB and Wimbley is a great pass rusher and if we can get a solid pass rushing olb in the draft as K2 said or a young one via free agency, we'd have a balanced LB core, but in my opinion our DB, especially now that Sean Jones is out for awhile, is still our worst part until they learn how to mature and become solid NFL DBs. I mean put Wright or McDonald on most teams and guarantee they dont even start or at best they start at Nickel Back. They should be good in a year or 2 though.
But even if you put the best DBs from other teams on Cleveland, the Browns will still lose. It all comes back to the linebackers. They suck against the run and can't pressure the QB. Without that, it doesn't matter what the DBs do.
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